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HuskerAv8tor 07-29-2018 12:43 PM

The CA was firm and professional. Instead of just kicking her off, he gave her a way to stay on and make the flight. We live in an age where a simple well worded admonishment to behave can’t be handled.

sailingfun 07-29-2018 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 2644801)
So when there's an issue with a passenger at the gate. It's the Captain's job to go deal with the passenger directly? I don't know about you, but I can still have the rest of my crew involved, along with having a passenger removed, without leaving my seat. This is why there are GSC (at the gate) and supervisors to deal with passengers at the gate. You can still be a Captain and having the final say if a passenger stays on or get off, but confronting the passengers directly is something I wouldn't do.

Having been involved in several of these incidents in the last 3 years the first question you will be asked once everyone is conferenced in is what was the demeanor of the passenger when you spoke to them Captain?

jDSTJD 07-29-2018 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by CrispyBacon (Post 2644712)
"Just another black person making a scene, and acting like they deserve special treatment, then becoming self righteously indignant after being called out for it"

Fixed the title of that article for you

I'm sorry but this is awful. Yes it is true that these recent news stories about black passengers acting rediculous on flights, and the fact that the stories keep happening it seems one after another, does not make "us" (black people/African Americans, whichever you want to pick) look good, this doesn't mean that there are only black people acting loony on flights and having to have flight crews take remedial action. The conflicts involving non-black crazies just don't appear to be as newsworthy because of the sensationalism race related incidents. So it gives the impression that it's just "blacks acting self righteously indignant after being called out for it". I cringe when I see this stuff because it looks bad but the condescending way you posted this is, in my opinion, beneath the intelligence and professional stature that I admire(d) you all for.

Floobs 07-29-2018 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2644781)
Each airline may have different procedures. At Delta it is the Captains job and he is required to make the final decision on the carriage of any passenger.

Fine, but why does that require the captain to leave his seat?

Qotsaautopilot 07-29-2018 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2644809)
Having been involved in several of these incidents in the last 3 years the first question you will be asked once everyone is conferenced in is what was the demeanor of the passenger when you spoke to them Captain?

Removed multiple people. People just don’t know how to act when leaving Vegas I guess. Never been asked about it by anyone

sailingfun 07-29-2018 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by Floobs (Post 2644821)
Fine, but why does that require the captain to leave his seat?

To make a intelligent and educated choice on if the passenger needs to be deplaned.

EMBFlyer 07-29-2018 01:12 PM

We're all missing one thing. If she'd have had Captain George, callsign Hollywood, this never would have happened. In all her travels, he would be EXACTLY the Captain that she has been looking for.

Silver02ex 07-29-2018 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2644809)
Having been involved in several of these incidents in the last 3 years the first question you will be asked once everyone is conferenced in is what was the demeanor of the passenger when you spoke to them Captain?


A late flight on Friday to Vegas from the east coast is always a guarantee to have issues with passengers, so i've seen many. Our job (where I work) is to call the CRO and have them deal with the passengers. If they need my final judgement then i'll give it, after talking to the flight attendants and CRO. There's nothing that states I have to deal with the passengers directly. Why would anyone ask me about the demeanor of the passengers when I wasn't the one that was involved with the passenger directly?:confused:

Slaphappy 07-29-2018 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by jDSTJD (Post 2644814)
I'm sorry but this is awful. Yes it is true that these recent news stories about black passengers acting rediculous on flights, and the fact that the stories keep happening it seems one after another, does not make "us" (black people/African Americans, whichever you want to pick) look good, this doesn't mean that there are only black people acting loony on flights and having to have flight crews take remedial action. The conflicts involving non-black crazies just don't appear to be as newsworthy because of the sensationalism race related incidents. So it gives the impression that it's just "blacks acting self righteously indignant after being called out for it". I cringe when I see this stuff because it looks bad but the condescending way you posted this is, in my opinion, beneath the intelligence and professional stature that I admire(d) you all for.

This was made about race, the title of the article was saying that she was thrown off because she was "flying while black" has nothing to do with that. This is happening more and more these days. People are using their race to turn this around on others.

RJSAviator76 07-29-2018 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by HuskerAv8tor (Post 2644808)
The CA was firm and professional. Instead of just kicking her off, he gave her a way to stay on and make the flight. We live in an age where a simple well worded admonishment to behave can’t be handled.

^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS x 100000000000!

I'm OK with what this captain did. He probably didn't wanna bother filling out paperwork, so a simple stroll down the aisle.

How friggin' difficult is it to follow instructions??!


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