Again, 121 experience when selecting candidates for INTERVIEWS is less important than military training. Its called STANDARDIZATION, something you have no idea about when dealing with civilian trained pilots.

When it comes to IOE there is a difference, but you have to get past the interview board first then qualification training. Military guys been there, done that. Plus they've selflessly given something to the nation. That alone gives them a leg up on someone who couldn't even qualify for military service.

 

Ugh. What you fail to comprehend is that in just about any competitive job in the world, the people hiring are looking at entire package of the candidate, not just whether or not they can do the basic requirements of the job. That's all I'll contribute to this pointless thread. Carry on.


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All wrong. There was no PR factor related to vets when airlines started hiring military pilots en masse... they were all that was available.

The airlines grew up and evolved with a strong military pilot culture. Taking that out would have consequences.

If you just need seat-meat, then any RJ FO is fine.

But majors want pilots who have leadership experience (perhaps more than leading one FO and one FA out to dinner at Applebys in Shebogan). They also want "whole people" who can represent well and interact with their customers. Ex-mil are known quantities. Also guaranteed to have performed under real stress, not all civilians can say the same.

The other thing you're conveniently glossing over is that mil people have passed several quality cuts for stamina, mental fortitude, mission accomplishment, and leadership all in a competitive environment. That kind of stuff builds character. It's possible (perhaps with parent's money) to come up the civilian track without any real hardship.

Not to say that no civilian meets all those criteria, many do and others would rise to the occasion if they had the opportunity. But mil is known quantity...

Again you're peeing into the wind, your emotional prejudices aren't going to change the world.

 

The few times I've been through airline training both civilian and military guys got through just the same...the ones who struggled or had to repeat lessons were always the older guys regardless of whether they were military or civilian.

Enough mil vs civ, let's turn this to old vs young!!

 

As an "older" guy and experienced instructor, I would agree with that.

 

as someone almost 40 and just went through initial on a new airplane, I can agree as well. Just don’t think I’ve got another type rating in me.

 

so your assumption is that anyone who didn’t do the military thing didn’t do it because they couldn’t? That’s a bit pretentious, isn’t it?

 

Way too much testastaron from both sides.

Day one of that dream job... civilian and former military check in and report for training. They either make the grade or they don’t. Success from both groups is primary. Camaraderie should germinate and develop into an Esprits de Corps... one team... one goal... success among all without the ego.

How many remember the selection process way back when??? no MMPI, HOGAN, academic or other tests developed by snake oil salesmen.

Many of my colleagues reminisce our first interview experience... many of us fresh ATPs with the ink still wet on the certificate, and the FE writtens out of the way.

I remember when the C/P presided with minions on either side of him. Typical questions of the day.... drunk captain... captain flies below the VASI. After the Q & A session... off to the waiting room. Seemed like an eternity but was only 10 minutes. I get called back into the inner sanctum. The C/P rendered the verdict agreed upon by unanimous consent. The pronouncement... “Seems like you’ll get along with the others. Welcome aboard.” Before taking my leave, the C/P said... “Its not where you came from... its where your journey takes you. 40+ years later, and Ive never and never want to work a day in my life.

I’ve been on the hiring board for for US and foreign carriers. Reminiscent of the C/P from my first interview, I’m not interested in the canned answers to the canned questions... why my airline... why should we hire you and not the guy outside. It’s not the number of of degrees... nor being number one in one’s class.... military/civilian. I like to hear why flying... love of flying. Perhaps I’ll never do that again story... and what not. After all... besides the three S’s... what do pilots like to take about??? flying!

Try to embrace each other... not as civilian or military but people who love to fly.

 

These are not the droids you're looking for. Oops.....sorry, wrong thread.

Carry on......

 

So to be clear let me ask you a question that should sum this up. You are sitting left seat and you have an angine failure just after V1, heavy weight, Venus is in retro and gremlins are attached to the right side hydraulics trying to make the fat shamer freak out and punch the tinder gay dude trying to hook up with your relief FO.
Would you want a 1000 hour regional FO in that seat or a 3000 hour military pilot?

Look dude training doesn’t make you a better pilot, but there are definitely better training programs. Not sure why you get all bent out of shape for this