Butthurt (formerly Baffled)
02-02-2019 | 03:49 PM
#201
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
^^^^ I’ve been on Boeing products from the onset of my career. An overseas carrier I flew with asked if I wanted to transition to the Air Bus. I expressed my appreciation for the invite, and said I just don’t have enough room in my tiny Aviating brain for another rating on an airframe thats on opposite sides of the universe.
02-02-2019 | 04:03 PM
#202
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So to be clear let me ask you a question that should sum this up. You are sitting left seat and you have an angine failure just after V1, heavy weight, Venus is in retro and gremlins are attached to the right side hydraulics trying to make the fat shamer freak out and punch the tinder gay dude trying to hook up with your relief FO.
Would you want a 1000 hour regional FO in that seat or a 3000 hour military pilot?
Look dude training doesn’t make you a better pilot, but there are definitely better training programs. Not sure why you get all bent out of shape for this
Would you want a 1000 hour regional FO in that seat or a 3000 hour military pilot?
Look dude training doesn’t make you a better pilot, but there are definitely better training programs. Not sure why you get all bent out of shape for this
Pats or Rams?
Seahawks....
02-02-2019 | 04:13 PM
#204
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If you really are a recruiter, which I doubt, I question your professionalism with a comment like this. I feel bad for the people that have to deal with your incompetence if this how you are in real life. You DO NOT represent my profession.
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02-02-2019 | 04:37 PM
#205
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From: 777 Captain in Training
02-02-2019 | 04:40 PM
#206
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From: systems analyst
Lol I’m not the one displaying arrogance toward civilian trained pilots. So when we can compromise and consider each other equal I’ll stop, but I’m proud of my background and it’s only got me success to this day while remaining humble on the line, so the arrogance will end.
Pats or Rams?
Pats or Rams?
Thank you come again
02-02-2019 | 04:41 PM
#207
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All wrong. There was no PR factor related to vets when airlines started hiring military pilots en masse... they were all that was available.
The airlines grew up and evolved with a strong military pilot culture. Taking that out would have consequences.
If you just need seat-meat, then any RJ FO is fine.
But majors want pilots who have leadership experience (perhaps more than leading one FO and one FA out to dinner at Applebys in Shebogan). They also want "whole people" who can represent well and interact with their customers. Ex-mil are known quantities. Also guaranteed to have performed under real stress, not all civilians can say the same.
The other thing you're conveniently glossing over is that mil people have passed several quality cuts for stamina, mental fortitude, mission accomplishment, and leadership all in a competitive environment. That kind of stuff builds character. It's possible (perhaps with parent's money) to come up the civilian track without any real hardship.
Not to say that no civilian meets all those criteria, many do and others would rise to the occasion if they had the opportunity. But mil is known quantity...
Again you're peeing into the wind, your emotional prejudices aren't going to change the world.
The airlines grew up and evolved with a strong military pilot culture. Taking that out would have consequences.
If you just need seat-meat, then any RJ FO is fine.
But majors want pilots who have leadership experience (perhaps more than leading one FO and one FA out to dinner at Applebys in Shebogan). They also want "whole people" who can represent well and interact with their customers. Ex-mil are known quantities. Also guaranteed to have performed under real stress, not all civilians can say the same.
The other thing you're conveniently glossing over is that mil people have passed several quality cuts for stamina, mental fortitude, mission accomplishment, and leadership all in a competitive environment. That kind of stuff builds character. It's possible (perhaps with parent's money) to come up the civilian track without any real hardship.
Not to say that no civilian meets all those criteria, many do and others would rise to the occasion if they had the opportunity. But mil is known quantity...
Again you're peeing into the wind, your emotional prejudices aren't going to change the world.
Don’t quote me on this, but nowaday’s it’s like 3/4 civ to 1/4 mil background in the majors is what I read. Could that be because of all the 141 college programs thriving, where they basically give you all the knowledge just short of a type rating to succeed in a 121 environment? Making you a more qualified pilot for the airline operation? Lack of qualified military applicants nowadays? Shortage of military applicants? A flooding of civilian applicants? That’s a big proportion shift from the past.
02-02-2019 | 05:16 PM
#209
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I would take the pilot with 1000 hrs of 121 experience over a new hire of either civilian, or military background. As a captain of over a decade, and seeing major hiring booms, 121 experience is king over everything else. That said, military pilots make better employees, in terms of reliability, like lower sick calls, following uniform standards, and overall outward presentation.
