Butthurt (formerly Baffled)
02-02-2019, 08:33 AM
#161
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Originally Posted by stabapch
No butthurt here son. I’m right where I want to be thanks to my own effort.
Only a person with zero common sense would argue that military training is more favorable than civilian training in a civilian industry. Military pilots are trained to handle “weapon deployment systems” to complete a mission; civilian pilots are trained to handle “passenger/cargo air transport category aircraft” from point A to point B. A monkey can fly an aircraft, but the mindset of the pilots are molded differently through training for the goal that needs to be accomplished.
Military pilots are not better candidates than civilian for a 121 Air Carrier operation and vice versa for a military operation. Plain and simple.
Only a person with zero common sense would argue that military training is more favorable than civilian training in a civilian industry. Military pilots are trained to handle “weapon deployment systems” to complete a mission; civilian pilots are trained to handle “passenger/cargo air transport category aircraft” from point A to point B. A monkey can fly an aircraft, but the mindset of the pilots are molded differently through training for the goal that needs to be accomplished.
Military pilots are not better candidates than civilian for a 121 Air Carrier operation and vice versa for a military operation. Plain and simple.
I like the "son" part....really mature and made me want to listen to you
02-02-2019, 08:44 AM
#162
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Originally Posted by stabapch
A monkey can fly an aircraft,
But you shouldn't take flying for granted. It itself is a huge body of knowledge and ability, and all the particular applications on top of it can be learned in the training department and on the job. But the flying part is outside the scope of that, and only a fool would ignore it.
02-02-2019, 08:48 AM
#163
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Originally Posted by deadseal
Do you know how many full vis EP sims a UPT grad has gone through? Jesus man, you literally have no idea what you are talking about. I have done both sets of training. Civilian side through Instrument, and the mil side. They don't even compare. If you wont take someones word for it who was boots on the ground for both programs, then there really is no hope for your butthurtness.
I like the "son" part....really mature and made me want to listen to you
I like the "son" part....really mature and made me want to listen to you
Please enlighten all of our civilian trained selves out there why a UPT grad is more qualified for a 121 operation than those like myself. Apparently I’m not equal to you, you’re better than me with a military background in a civilian operation.
Maybe it’s not arrogance? Tiny d*ck syndrome?
02-02-2019, 08:50 AM
#164
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Originally Posted by stabapch
What’s so naive about it? It’s pretty naive and illogical to argue that military pilots are better suited for a CIVILIAN industry than a civilian trained pilot.
I don’t have to think that to make me feel better, I witness it in training and on the line. It doesn’t make me ‘feel better,’ but the arrogance you get from the average military guy amounts to a good laugh every now and then.
I don’t have to think that to make me feel better, I witness it in training and on the line. It doesn’t make me ‘feel better,’ but the arrogance you get from the average military guy amounts to a good laugh every now and then.
02-02-2019, 08:53 AM
#165
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It would be illuminating (maybe not for Stabapch, but at least for the general reader) for some of you guys that have gone through both training systems to post a summary of both of them.
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Stabapch, you should ask yourself 1) If it is POSSIBLE that one system is more rigorous and reliable in producing a consistent and capable product, and 2) if it is the case, who would have meaningful insight into that (people who have gone through both, or those who have only gone through one?)
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Stabapch, you should ask yourself 1) If it is POSSIBLE that one system is more rigorous and reliable in producing a consistent and capable product, and 2) if it is the case, who would have meaningful insight into that (people who have gone through both, or those who have only gone through one?)
02-02-2019, 09:01 AM
#166
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Originally Posted by vessbot
This is at the root of your error. If you take knowing how to fly for granted, then all that remains is the application to the two different industries; and in that case you'd be right that a civilian background is automatically better for a civilian job.
But you shouldn't take flying for granted. It itself is a huge body of knowledge and ability, and all the particular applications on top of it can be learned in the training department and on the job. But the flying part is outside the scope of that, and only a fool would ignore it.
But you shouldn't take flying for granted. It itself is a huge body of knowledge and ability, and all the particular applications on top of it can be learned in the training department and on the job. But the flying part is outside the scope of that, and only a fool would ignore it.
02-02-2019, 09:05 AM
#167
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Originally Posted by stabapch
Decision making is what makes a pilot from a robot. A Chinese FO can be a great pilot, superior stick/rudder skills and knowledge, but they severely lack the ADM and that’s why they seldom make it to the left seat at their own carriers. Robots, not pilots. I’ll tell ya that from experience.
02-02-2019, 09:12 AM
#168
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Originally Posted by deadseal
Do you know how many full vis EP sims a UPT grad has gone through? Jesus man, you literally have no idea what you are talking about. I have done both sets of training. Civilian side through Instrument, and the mil side. They don't even compare. If you wont take someones word for it who was boots on the ground for both programs, then there really is no hope for your butthurtness.
I like the "son" part....really mature and made me want to listen to you
I like the "son" part....really mature and made me want to listen to you
lmfao.The civilian track most people are discussing here is 1500ATP -> regionals THEN competitiveness for a major app.
I would argue that anyone with 1000hrs 121 TPIC from a regional is more qualified than any single pilot coming out of the military. The are applying for the EXACT same job, different airplane. Already proven themselves.
The .mil guys have proven they can read checklists and QRH's that end up telling them to divert/exactly how to make a decision. Not even remotely applicable in the 121 world.
02-02-2019, 09:20 AM
#170
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Originally Posted by Varsity
Civilian side through instrument lmfao.
The civilian track most people are discussing here is 1500ATP -> regionals THEN competitiveness for a major app.
lmfao.The civilian track most people are discussing here is 1500ATP -> regionals THEN competitiveness for a major app.
If they aren't talking about it, then they should be.
The .mil guys have proven they can read checklists and QRH's that end up telling them to divert/exactly how to make a decision. Not even remotely applicable in the 121 world.
