Butthurt (formerly Baffled)
02-01-2019 | 03:39 PM
#152
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Nov 2013
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From: A320 Left seat
Factual evidence? LOL yeah some fishing there for sure.
My best tool to bring the best of the best pilots down to earth (military or civilian) for a bit is my antique bare bones no electrical system 65hp fabric and wood tailwheel airplane.
I wanted to fly military. Like from age 5 bad. Lucky for you top guns out there, they stopped issuing waivers for color vision during the early 90’s drawdown. I basically got the TBNT.
In my 20 years of being paid to fly, I have learned that the military airline guys can be further categorized by branch and aircraft.
With humor in mind, I’ve learned:
F-15 guys are typically pretty wound up. Very much into “the book says exactly this.” Chardonnay drinkers, and only one. Lots of rules and books. And micro managing the energy. Like a lot.
F-16 guys are less wound up knowing that they can pull on the stick and engage without worrying about over G. They like to use this against F-15’s. They love Germany. They like to live in Colorado Springs and drink Coors Light.
A-10 guys speak with one volume, loud. They drink straight whiskey. They have mixed emotions that the currrent fight is a high one, not a low one. Whatever that means. They like football and avoiding icing conditions of any kind.
Navy Hornet guys are fairly relaxed. They love Top Gun. And the boat. Those that flew Tomcats wish they still flew them. They don’t want to discuss the volleyball scene. Lots of high fives.
Marine Aviators hate the boat and don’t give a **** about rules or any other branch of service for that matter. Tequila shooters and stories about Okinawa and fighting sailors. They are part of the infantry.
Cobra guys like Air Force installations because of ice cream and air conditioning. They know nothing about not being deployed. They are also infantry.
AH64 guys are usually serious and quiet. They have generally killed any sort of military vehicle used in battle.
C-17, C-130, KC, and C-5 crews like breaking down in a Caribbean destination. Or Australia.
AC-130 guys are angry at the leadership.
Anyhow, thank you vets for your service. Glad to fly with you.
My best tool to bring the best of the best pilots down to earth (military or civilian) for a bit is my antique bare bones no electrical system 65hp fabric and wood tailwheel airplane.
I wanted to fly military. Like from age 5 bad. Lucky for you top guns out there, they stopped issuing waivers for color vision during the early 90’s drawdown. I basically got the TBNT.
In my 20 years of being paid to fly, I have learned that the military airline guys can be further categorized by branch and aircraft.
With humor in mind, I’ve learned:
F-15 guys are typically pretty wound up. Very much into “the book says exactly this.” Chardonnay drinkers, and only one. Lots of rules and books. And micro managing the energy. Like a lot.
F-16 guys are less wound up knowing that they can pull on the stick and engage without worrying about over G. They like to use this against F-15’s. They love Germany. They like to live in Colorado Springs and drink Coors Light.
A-10 guys speak with one volume, loud. They drink straight whiskey. They have mixed emotions that the currrent fight is a high one, not a low one. Whatever that means. They like football and avoiding icing conditions of any kind.
Navy Hornet guys are fairly relaxed. They love Top Gun. And the boat. Those that flew Tomcats wish they still flew them. They don’t want to discuss the volleyball scene. Lots of high fives.
Marine Aviators hate the boat and don’t give a **** about rules or any other branch of service for that matter. Tequila shooters and stories about Okinawa and fighting sailors. They are part of the infantry.
Cobra guys like Air Force installations because of ice cream and air conditioning. They know nothing about not being deployed. They are also infantry.
AH64 guys are usually serious and quiet. They have generally killed any sort of military vehicle used in battle.
C-17, C-130, KC, and C-5 crews like breaking down in a Caribbean destination. Or Australia.
AC-130 guys are angry at the leadership.
Anyhow, thank you vets for your service. Glad to fly with you.
This is hilarious! Well done.
02-02-2019 | 05:39 AM
#153
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lmao. 
Most of the guys who can't cut it are .mil guys with no 121 experience. RJ drivers have been doing the exact same check ride, in transport jets in and out of the the exact same airports with the exact same passengers in the same paint job as mainline for decades.
I have yet to encounter a .mil pilot that impresses me with their awesome Uncle Sam flying skills.
Most of the guys who can't cut it are .mil guys with no 121 experience. RJ drivers have been doing the exact same check ride, in transport jets in and out of the the exact same airports with the exact same passengers in the same paint job as mainline for decades.
I have yet to encounter a .mil pilot that impresses me with their awesome Uncle Sam flying skills.
02-02-2019 | 06:10 AM
#154
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It doesn't have anything to do with worship. When I interview an ex-military pilot I KNOW the standardization of training and qualifications that he/she has been required to meet over the course of his/her career.
I KNOW for a fact that they didn't "earn" their licenses at some cheesy Mom and Pop FBO that will pass you as long as you can pay. They didn't get their type ratings at some sim center that will sign you off when your check clears.
They didn't get their PIC experience at some backwater "regional" airline that flies between Denver and Gillette three times a day.
That's why ex-military guys get preference. But, I wouldn't expect non-military types to even begin to comprehend that simple fact.
I KNOW for a fact that they didn't "earn" their licenses at some cheesy Mom and Pop FBO that will pass you as long as you can pay. They didn't get their type ratings at some sim center that will sign you off when your check clears.
They didn't get their PIC experience at some backwater "regional" airline that flies between Denver and Gillette three times a day.
That's why ex-military guys get preference. But, I wouldn't expect non-military types to even begin to comprehend that simple fact.
I KNOW for a fact that military pilots are held to similar standards by their examiners after their training.
In the end, regardless of training you still have to pass the same ‘checkride’.
And yes, the 121 PIC experience at some “backwater” regional flying between two cities is FAR less valuable than the guy who does 1 sortie a month in blocked airspace or the guy wasting my taxpayer money dropping bombs on innocent people in the eyes of the hiring manager at a legacy... it’s all clear to me now where I took the wrong turn in my career...
It’s funny because the airline I fly for basically has a ‘separate’ training department with additional allocated funds/resources for mil guys with no 121, so there can’t be that much cost savings...
02-02-2019 | 07:21 AM
#155
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From: systems analyst
And yes, the 121 PIC experience at some “backwater” regional flying between two cities is FAR less valuable than the guy who does 1 sortie a month in blocked airspace or the guy wasting my taxpayer money dropping bombs on innocent people in the eyes of the hiring manager at a legacy... it’s all clear to me now where I took the wrong turn in my career...
Passing one checkride in no way validates the true depth of ones training. Only a noob with no depth nor experience would believe that
02-02-2019 | 07:47 AM
#156
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined: Jan 2006
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
I KNOW for a fact that my DPE’s/FAA Examiners held me to the standards set in the PTS that lead to me earning my ratings, despite my training coming from the local FBO.
I KNOW for a fact that military pilots are held to similar standards by their examiners after their training.
In the end, regardless of training you still have to pass the same ‘checkride’.
And yes, the 121 PIC experience at some “backwater” regional flying between two cities is FAR less valuable than the guy who does 1 sortie a month in blocked airspace or the guy wasting my taxpayer money dropping bombs on innocent people in the eyes of the hiring manager at a legacy... it’s all clear to me now where I took the wrong turn in my career...
It’s funny because the airline I fly for basically has a ‘separate’ training department with additional allocated funds/resources for mil guys with no 121, so there can’t be that much cost savings...
I KNOW for a fact that military pilots are held to similar standards by their examiners after their training.
In the end, regardless of training you still have to pass the same ‘checkride’.
And yes, the 121 PIC experience at some “backwater” regional flying between two cities is FAR less valuable than the guy who does 1 sortie a month in blocked airspace or the guy wasting my taxpayer money dropping bombs on innocent people in the eyes of the hiring manager at a legacy... it’s all clear to me now where I took the wrong turn in my career...
It’s funny because the airline I fly for basically has a ‘separate’ training department with additional allocated funds/resources for mil guys with no 121, so there can’t be that much cost savings...
02-02-2019 | 08:06 AM
#158
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You were actually doing pretty well with your point of view until you dropped this little rat turd of a totally inaccurate statement that is so far off the mark of reality, it made me ram dump your entire perspective. You sir, just slam dunked yourself into the butthurt category.
Passing one checkride in no way validates the true depth of ones training. Only a noob with no depth nor experience would believe that
Passing one checkride in no way validates the true depth of ones training. Only a noob with no depth nor experience would believe that
Only a person with zero common sense would argue that military training is more favorable than civilian training in a civilian industry. Military pilots are trained to handle “weapon deployment systems” to complete a mission; civilian pilots are trained to handle “passenger/cargo air transport category aircraft” from point A to point B. A monkey can fly an aircraft, but the mindset of the pilots are molded differently through training for the goal that needs to be accomplished.
Military pilots are not better candidates than civilian for a 121 Air Carrier operation and vice versa for a military operation. Plain and simple.
02-02-2019 | 08:20 AM
#159
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Looking forward to your next bit of wisdom...
02-02-2019 | 08:30 AM
#160
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I don’t have to think that to make me feel better, I witness it in training and on the line. It doesn’t make me ‘feel better,’ but the arrogance you get from the average military guy amounts to a good laugh every now and then.
