Butthurt (formerly Baffled)
01-27-2019, 11:12 AM
#111
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 527
I don't know, that's a matter between FedEx and... FedEx. But the post clearly compared the size of the military pilot's airplane experience as negative against the poster's own 5 type ratings, 2 check pilot quals, and 121 command time. That comparison was so clear that he characterized the resulting decision as "BS." I'm straining at how it can possibly be intended, or read, in a different way.
Last edited by vessbot; 01-27-2019 at 11:22 AM.
01-27-2019, 11:37 AM
#112
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I don't know, that's a matter between FedEx and... FedEx. But the post clearly compared the size of the military pilot's airplane experience as negative against the poster's own 5 type ratings, 2 check pilot quals, and 121 command time. That comparison was so clear that he characterized the resulting decision as "BS." I'm straining at how it can possibly be intended, or read, in a different way.
Sub par for whom? "Negative" for whom?
Obviously not sub par for the pilot hiring folks at FedEx, but apparently in the minds of a bunch of posters in this thread (including the OP) who are not professionally evaluating the qualifications of pilots being interviewed at Purple.
The reasons for the situation the OP encountered have been covered well in several other posts in this thread, and given that info, the "nothing larger than a King Air" benchmark isn't an indicator of "subpar qualifications."
01-27-2019, 11:40 AM
#113
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: A320
Posts: 241
Read back through this thread........lots of opinions, so I’ll offer my .02........
I’ve had many guys & a few gals next to me in the cockpit lead (or answer during intros at cruise) with the “I was gonna go fly in the (fill in the branch of service here), BUT (insert excuse here).......”
Never had a veteran lead (or same reply) with ,“I wish I could’ve gotten here (seat) without serving my country, but came up blank.....”
Any questions?
I’ve had many guys & a few gals next to me in the cockpit lead (or answer during intros at cruise) with the “I was gonna go fly in the (fill in the branch of service here), BUT (insert excuse here).......”
Never had a veteran lead (or same reply) with ,“I wish I could’ve gotten here (seat) without serving my country, but came up blank.....”
Any questions?
01-27-2019, 12:04 PM
#114
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 527
Sub par for whom? "Negative" for whom?
The reasons for the situation the OP encountered have been covered well in several other posts in this thread, and given that info, the "nothing larger than a King Air" benchmark isn't an indicator of "subpar qualifications."
01-27-2019, 12:14 PM
#115
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Position: B737
Posts: 3,697
Factual evidence? LOL yeah some fishing there for sure.
My best tool to bring the best of the best pilots down to earth (military or civilian) for a bit is my antique bare bones no electrical system 65hp fabric and wood tailwheel airplane.
I wanted to fly military. Like from age 5 bad. Lucky for you top guns out there, they stopped issuing waivers for color vision during the early 90’s drawdown. I basically got the TBNT.
In my 20 years of being paid to fly, I have learned that the military airline guys can be further categorized by branch and aircraft.
With humor in mind, I’ve learned:
F-15 guys are typically pretty wound up. Very much into “the book says exactly this.” Chardonnay drinkers, and only one. Lots of rules and books. And micro managing the energy. Like a lot.
F-16 guys are less wound up knowing that they can pull on the stick and engage without worrying about over G. They like to use this against F-15’s. They love Germany. They like to live in Colorado Springs and drink Coors Light.
A-10 guys speak with one volume, loud. They drink straight whiskey. They have mixed emotions that the currrent fight is a high one, not a low one. Whatever that means. They like football and avoiding icing conditions of any kind.
Navy Hornet guys are fairly relaxed. They love Top Gun. And the boat. Those that flew Tomcats wish they still flew them. They don’t want to discuss the volleyball scene. Lots of high fives.
Marine Aviators hate the boat and don’t give a **** about rules or any other branch of service for that matter. Tequila shooters and stories about Okinawa and fighting sailors. They are part of the infantry.
Cobra guys like Air Force installations because of ice cream and air conditioning. They know nothing about not being deployed. They are also infantry.
AH64 guys are usually serious and quiet. They have generally killed any sort of military vehicle used in battle.
C-17, C-130, KC, and C-5 crews like breaking down in a Caribbean destination. Or Australia.
AC-130 guys are angry at the leadership.
Anyhow, thank you vets for your service. Glad to fly with you.
My best tool to bring the best of the best pilots down to earth (military or civilian) for a bit is my antique bare bones no electrical system 65hp fabric and wood tailwheel airplane.
I wanted to fly military. Like from age 5 bad. Lucky for you top guns out there, they stopped issuing waivers for color vision during the early 90’s drawdown. I basically got the TBNT.
In my 20 years of being paid to fly, I have learned that the military airline guys can be further categorized by branch and aircraft.
With humor in mind, I’ve learned:
F-15 guys are typically pretty wound up. Very much into “the book says exactly this.” Chardonnay drinkers, and only one. Lots of rules and books. And micro managing the energy. Like a lot.
F-16 guys are less wound up knowing that they can pull on the stick and engage without worrying about over G. They like to use this against F-15’s. They love Germany. They like to live in Colorado Springs and drink Coors Light.
A-10 guys speak with one volume, loud. They drink straight whiskey. They have mixed emotions that the currrent fight is a high one, not a low one. Whatever that means. They like football and avoiding icing conditions of any kind.
Navy Hornet guys are fairly relaxed. They love Top Gun. And the boat. Those that flew Tomcats wish they still flew them. They don’t want to discuss the volleyball scene. Lots of high fives.
Marine Aviators hate the boat and don’t give a **** about rules or any other branch of service for that matter. Tequila shooters and stories about Okinawa and fighting sailors. They are part of the infantry.
Cobra guys like Air Force installations because of ice cream and air conditioning. They know nothing about not being deployed. They are also infantry.
AH64 guys are usually serious and quiet. They have generally killed any sort of military vehicle used in battle.
C-17, C-130, KC, and C-5 crews like breaking down in a Caribbean destination. Or Australia.
AC-130 guys are angry at the leadership.
Anyhow, thank you vets for your service. Glad to fly with you.
Last edited by tomgoodman; 01-27-2019 at 01:18 PM. Reason: Quoted political post
01-27-2019, 12:22 PM
#116
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 508
Factual evidence? LOL yeah some fishing there for sure.
My best tool to bring the best of the best pilots down to earth (military or civilian) for a bit is my antique bare bones no electrical system 65hp fabric and wood tailwheel airplane.
I wanted to fly military. Like from age 5 bad. Lucky for you top guns out there, they stopped issuing waivers for color vision during the early 90’s drawdown. I basically got the TBNT.
In my 20 years of being paid to fly, I have learned that the military airline guys can be further categorized by branch and aircraft.
With humor in mind, I’ve learned:
F-15 guys are typically pretty wound up. Very much into “the book says exactly this.” Chardonnay drinkers, and only one. Lots of rules and books. And micro managing the energy. Like a lot.
F-16 guys are less wound up knowing that they can pull on the stick and engage without worrying about over G. They like to use this against F-15’s. They love Germany. They like to live in Colorado Springs and drink Coors Light.
A-10 guys speak with one volume, loud. They drink straight whiskey. They have mixed emotions that the currrent fight is a high one, not a low one. Whatever that means. They like football and avoiding icing conditions of any kind.
Navy Hornet guys are fairly relaxed. They love Top Gun. And the boat. Those that flew Tomcats wish they still flew them. They don’t want to discuss the volleyball scene. Lots of high fives.
Marine Aviators hate the boat and don’t give a **** about rules or any other branch of service for that matter. Tequila shooters and stories about Okinawa and fighting sailors. They are part of the infantry.
Cobra guys like Air Force installations because of ice cream and air conditioning. They know nothing about not being deployed. They are also infantry.
AH64 guys are usually serious and quiet. They have generally killed any sort of military vehicle used in battle.
C-17, C-130, KC, and C-5 crews like breaking down in a Caribbean destination. Or Australia.
AC-130 guys are angry at the leadership.
Anyhow, thank you vets for your service. Glad to fly with you.
My best tool to bring the best of the best pilots down to earth (military or civilian) for a bit is my antique bare bones no electrical system 65hp fabric and wood tailwheel airplane.
I wanted to fly military. Like from age 5 bad. Lucky for you top guns out there, they stopped issuing waivers for color vision during the early 90’s drawdown. I basically got the TBNT.
In my 20 years of being paid to fly, I have learned that the military airline guys can be further categorized by branch and aircraft.
With humor in mind, I’ve learned:
F-15 guys are typically pretty wound up. Very much into “the book says exactly this.” Chardonnay drinkers, and only one. Lots of rules and books. And micro managing the energy. Like a lot.
F-16 guys are less wound up knowing that they can pull on the stick and engage without worrying about over G. They like to use this against F-15’s. They love Germany. They like to live in Colorado Springs and drink Coors Light.
A-10 guys speak with one volume, loud. They drink straight whiskey. They have mixed emotions that the currrent fight is a high one, not a low one. Whatever that means. They like football and avoiding icing conditions of any kind.
Navy Hornet guys are fairly relaxed. They love Top Gun. And the boat. Those that flew Tomcats wish they still flew them. They don’t want to discuss the volleyball scene. Lots of high fives.
Marine Aviators hate the boat and don’t give a **** about rules or any other branch of service for that matter. Tequila shooters and stories about Okinawa and fighting sailors. They are part of the infantry.
Cobra guys like Air Force installations because of ice cream and air conditioning. They know nothing about not being deployed. They are also infantry.
AH64 guys are usually serious and quiet. They have generally killed any sort of military vehicle used in battle.
C-17, C-130, KC, and C-5 crews like breaking down in a Caribbean destination. Or Australia.
AC-130 guys are angry at the leadership.
Anyhow, thank you vets for your service. Glad to fly with you.
Haha. Truth! However, I will say that you can't categorize everyone that precisely. I've flown with some pretty mellow F-15 guys on occasion.
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01-27-2019, 12:43 PM
#117
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: systems analyst
Posts: 757
Sooo, funny synopsis. How exactly do you disagree with my only point that mil training is better than civilian?
What possible evidence? I can spout in depth academics, stand ups, ep training massive amounts of simulator time.....please enlighten me.
Also....you got the drinks all wrong
F16 pilots drink Jeremiah weed bruh
What possible evidence? I can spout in depth academics, stand ups, ep training massive amounts of simulator time.....please enlighten me.
Also....you got the drinks all wrong
F16 pilots drink Jeremiah weed bruh
01-27-2019, 12:43 PM
#118
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 509
Finally something that makes sense....
Factual evidence? LOL yeah some fishing there for sure.
My best tool to bring the best of the best pilots down to earth (military or civilian) for a bit is my antique bare bones no electrical system 65hp fabric and wood tailwheel airplane.
I wanted to fly military. Like from age 5 bad. Lucky for you top guns out there, they stopped issuing waivers for color vision during the early 90’s drawdown. I basically got the TBNT.
In my 20 years of being paid to fly, I have learned that the military airline guys can be further categorized by branch and aircraft.
With humor in mind, I’ve learned:
F-15 guys are typically pretty wound up. Very much into “the book says exactly this.” Chardonnay drinkers, and only one. Lots of rules and books. And micro managing the energy. Like a lot.
F-16 guys are less wound up knowing that they can pull on the stick and engage without worrying about over G. They like to use this against F-15’s. They love Germany. They like to live in Colorado Springs and drink Coors Light.
A-10 guys speak with one volume, loud. They drink straight whiskey. They have mixed emotions that the currrent fight is a high one, not a low one. Whatever that means. They like football and avoiding icing conditions of any kind.
Navy Hornet guys are fairly relaxed. They love Top Gun. And the boat. Those that flew Tomcats wish they still flew them. They don’t want to discuss the volleyball scene. Lots of high fives.
Marine Aviators hate the boat and don’t give a **** about rules or any other branch of service for that matter. Tequila shooters and stories about Okinawa and fighting sailors. They are part of the infantry.
Cobra guys like Air Force installations because of ice cream and air conditioning. They know nothing about not being deployed. They are also infantry.
AH64 guys are usually serious and quiet. They have generally killed any sort of military vehicle used in battle.
C-17, C-130, KC, and C-5 crews like breaking down in a Caribbean destination. Or Australia.
AC-130 guys are angry at the leadership.
Anyhow, thank you vets for your service. Glad to fly with you.
My best tool to bring the best of the best pilots down to earth (military or civilian) for a bit is my antique bare bones no electrical system 65hp fabric and wood tailwheel airplane.
I wanted to fly military. Like from age 5 bad. Lucky for you top guns out there, they stopped issuing waivers for color vision during the early 90’s drawdown. I basically got the TBNT.
In my 20 years of being paid to fly, I have learned that the military airline guys can be further categorized by branch and aircraft.
With humor in mind, I’ve learned:
F-15 guys are typically pretty wound up. Very much into “the book says exactly this.” Chardonnay drinkers, and only one. Lots of rules and books. And micro managing the energy. Like a lot.
F-16 guys are less wound up knowing that they can pull on the stick and engage without worrying about over G. They like to use this against F-15’s. They love Germany. They like to live in Colorado Springs and drink Coors Light.
A-10 guys speak with one volume, loud. They drink straight whiskey. They have mixed emotions that the currrent fight is a high one, not a low one. Whatever that means. They like football and avoiding icing conditions of any kind.
Navy Hornet guys are fairly relaxed. They love Top Gun. And the boat. Those that flew Tomcats wish they still flew them. They don’t want to discuss the volleyball scene. Lots of high fives.
Marine Aviators hate the boat and don’t give a **** about rules or any other branch of service for that matter. Tequila shooters and stories about Okinawa and fighting sailors. They are part of the infantry.
Cobra guys like Air Force installations because of ice cream and air conditioning. They know nothing about not being deployed. They are also infantry.
AH64 guys are usually serious and quiet. They have generally killed any sort of military vehicle used in battle.
C-17, C-130, KC, and C-5 crews like breaking down in a Caribbean destination. Or Australia.
AC-130 guys are angry at the leadership.
Anyhow, thank you vets for your service. Glad to fly with you.
01-27-2019, 02:09 PM
#119
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Position: Pilot
Posts: 522
If the airlines desire to hire the safest and most efficient pilots I believe there is great opportunity to reform the hiring systems that exist.
Sometimes it would seem the airlines would do better throwing darts blindfolded.
Sometimes it would seem the airlines would do better throwing darts blindfolded.
01-27-2019, 03:55 PM
#120
Strike averted!
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: B737
Posts: 3,697
Sooo, funny synopsis. How exactly do you disagree with my only point that mil training is better than civilian?
What possible evidence? I can spout in depth academics, stand ups, ep training massive amounts of simulator time.....please enlighten me.
Also....you got the drinks all wrong
F16 pilots drink Jeremiah weed bruh
What possible evidence? I can spout in depth academics, stand ups, ep training massive amounts of simulator time.....please enlighten me.
Also....you got the drinks all wrong
F16 pilots drink Jeremiah weed bruh
I was replying to a comment in a previous post which I believe may have been deleted or I just jacked it up from another topic.
The post referenced the “factual evidence of Trump/Russia collusion.” Hence my fishing analogy.
In my opinion, the civilian world of commercial aviation and the military world of combat have very little crossover and most is apples vs. oranges. It’s just a different world.
I would love to see what happens when a 10,000 hour plus airline guy goes to fighter school. I’m guessing lots of un-learning?
I used to teach multiengine students in older Beech aircraft. This served me well when I went to the ATR and SF3. I couldn’t imagine the learning curve for a single-engine/single-seat tactical guy that gets the firehouse directly into a Q-400 or 737.
