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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:36 AM
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Sweet..... now we can debate UND vs ERAU vs 61!

I’ll start the popcorn!
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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Better get used to it. The simple fact is the airline hiring process will always tilt toward military trained pilots.
If anyone is coming across here as butthurt it’s you. You’re not happy about being challenged and probably because you haven’t been saluted in awhile.

My original observations remain unchanged. I have flown with outstanding captains, military and civilian. I’m not seeing where all the leadership courses etc are creating a better 121 captain. It’s a simple observation and it’s my own. If that doesn’t sit well with you, that’s on you.
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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Better get used to it. The simple fact is the airline hiring process will always tilt toward military trained pilots.

The actual truth is that the interview panel consists of human beings. Human beings identify with people who share similar views and experiences. The experienced and older pilots are the ones involved involved in hiring. As long as the older generation are predominantly military there will be a strong bias towards people with military background. Rationalizations to support that bias will sometimes be based in reality and other times be just that: rationalizations.


We as pilots often mistake the world outside our cockpit to be based on facts, numbers, and statistics as we've been trained to do.
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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Better get used to it. The simple fact is the airline hiring process will always tilt toward military trained pilots.
You're dense if that's what you took away... Or you're unsure how to bow out so you're arguing something different now.

I have nothing against the military dominance in the airline world. I understand it. Most of my friends at work are former fighter guys, and they would not agree with you.

I was commenting on your poor judgement and lack of understanding of the way civilian pilots are brought up.

As far as butthurt, the OP definitely was. But you took the thread in an entirely different direction.
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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
What you state is exactly why mil guys get hired. Most have fantastic resumes on the non flying side including masters degrees, good to excellent performance in college, lots of leadership schools combined with lots of actual leadership experience. I find many civilian pilots focus on the flying and neglect to build out the rest of their resume.
LOL! A masters to fly an airplane! What a colossal waste of an education. You are blue collar my friend, by every definition of the term. You punch a time clock every time the door is shut and the brake is dropped and you punch it again the second the brake is set and the door is opened. Once again though, your over-inflated sense of self value and self worth is duly noted.
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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by CoefficientX
If anyone is coming across here as butthurt it’s you. You’re not happy about being challenged and probably because you haven’t been saluted in awhile.

My original observations remain unchanged. I have flown with outstanding captains, military and civilian. I’m not seeing where all the leadership courses etc are creating a better 121 captain. It’s a simple observation and it’s my own. If that doesn’t sit well with you, that’s on you.
I thought the theme of the thread is that some 26 year old was butthurt because a military guy got a FEDEX interview, and he can’t.
The premise of the entire thread is that military guys shouldn’t be hired because of their lack of 121 experience. Which stops mattering after about a month on the line.

The thread started with a butthurt RJ guy discrediting another pilot.
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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Floobs

Honestly why? We just fly from point A to B. This career requires a very specific set of skills.
That is true but eventually most will be captains... moving to the left seat entails a lot more than learning captain flows. Leadership and mentorship is a part of what makes a great captain, all of which involves a lot more than the specific skill set to fly from point A to B.
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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Hacker15e
They do.

What you mean is that you think military flying time shouldn't count for anything when it comes to applying for civilian flying jobs, as some sort of way to "even" the playing field?
Not in the industry.

Originally Posted by MiLa
That is true but eventually most will be captains... moving to the left seat entails a lot more than learning captain flows. Leadership and mentorship is a part of what makes a great captain, all of which involves a lot more than the specific skill set to fly from point A to B.
For the Most part the job is the same. Very little extra “leadership” is required.
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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by terminal
The thread started with a butthurt RJ guy discrediting another pilot.
Agree 100%

It morphed into something else along the way.
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Old 01-27-2019 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamSasquatch
Sweet..... now we can debate UND vs ERAU vs 61!

I’ll start the popcorn!
Lightly salted and buttered please😀
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