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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by trip
Didn't you just say you're interviewing NAI guys in that other thread? LOL!!!
I'll give equal standing to the one who's been flying pax into GCC at midnight as the kingair intel gatherer (drones around for hours in circles). Your personality will probably be the deciding factor.

My NAS training experience was seven months long. It consisted of an EASA medical and Norwegian air force swim test, One month at Boeing Miami, one month in Norway doing corporate training including CRM with an ex Norwegian air force pilot psychologist. We did the cabin crew cooperation CRM course and security equipment training with British Airways. My three line trainers were a Dutch ex-navy instructor with over 20 years of TRI/TRE experience at KLM, an ex Luftwaffe Tornado instructor, and an Emirates TRI/TRE. Many in my class were ex military and we had a couple of Red Bull racers at the company as well.


You may not like the political aspect of Norwegian but to say the training experience is somehow subpar to U.S. domestic or even a regional carriers is completely disconnected from reality.
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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by CoefficientX
After 19 years in the right seat of my major airline I can say I see no difference in airmanship between civilian and military. I’ve flown with excellent captains, military and civilian and I’ve also flown with not so excellent captains, military and civilians.

Let’s not make the assumption that all pilots tried to get in the military and only the best made it. There are plenty of outstanding pilots that had no desire whatsoever to join the military.

Lots of chest thumping going on here. After 19 years of observation from the right seat I can say to all the ex military guys who think just because you are ex military you’re better than the civilian guys........you aren’t.
Seriously? You saw his comment as chest thumping?
Basically what it boils down to is that a

1. military officer in his 30s has done much more than just fly a plane.
2. They’re a known quantity. There’s a huge difference between North dakota and a mom and pop FBO, there’s even a difference between Purdue and Embry Riddle. You don’t see those differences on military flight school with the exception of the Navy vs the Air Force
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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by terminal
Seriously? You saw his comment as chest thumping?

Basically what it boils down to is that a 1. military officer in his 30s has done much more than just fly a plane.

2. The requirements to get winged are very standardized.
What exactly constitutes "very standardized" versus "standardized"

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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by terminal
Seriously? You saw his comment as chest thumping?
Basically what it boils down to is that a

1. military officer in his 30s has done much more than just fly a plane.
2. They’re a known quantity. There’s a huge difference between North dakota and a mom and pop FBO, there’s even a difference between Purdue and Embry Riddle. You don’t see those differences on military flight school with the exception of the Navy vs the Air Force
I see chest thumping throughout the thread.

And apparently you locked on my chest thumping comment and read nothing else.
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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by chronomaster31
What exactly constitutes "very standardized" versus "standardized"

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Is there standardization between mom and pop FBO and North Dakota? Is there a difference in the type of pilot that comes out of there?
I’d say so.
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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by CoefficientX
I see chest thumping throughout the thread.

And you didn’t read past my chest thumping comment apparently.
Oh the part where you said we aren’t hot stuff? Which is basically you doubling down on your chest thumping comment. There’s no chest thumping going on.
After 19 years, yeah we’re all the same, but in the context of new hires. the hiring board looks at a 40 year old military officer differently than they look at a 23 year old-and they should.
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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by terminal
Seriously? You saw his comment as chest thumping?
Basically what it boils down to is that a

1. military officer in his 30s has done much more than just fly a plane.
2. They’re a known quantity.
There’s a huge difference between North dakota and a mom and pop FBO, there’s even a difference between Purdue and Embry Riddle.
Exactly my point. I'm referring to TRAINING and qualification period. If I'm talking to an ex-military or UND guy I know what I'm getting (P.S. I'm a graduate of the UND Accident Investigation Course). I've seen the license mills in operation as well.

I also recognize the difference between what it takes to get accepted to a military pilot training program and if Mommy and Daddy can write a check to Mom and Pop.


It appears from all the butthurt that has been exhibited on this thread you "Mom and Pop" guys recognize the truth. You have quite a chip on your collective shoulders.
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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by terminal
Is there standardization between mom and pop FBO and North Dakota? Is there a difference in the type of pilot that comes out of there?

I’d say so.
Sounds more like a personal opinion rather than a claim backed up by data

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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Exactly my point. I'm referring to TRAINING and qualification period. If I'm talking to an ex-military or UND guy I know what I'm getting (P.S. I'm a graduate of the UND Accident Investigation Course). I've seen the license mills in operation as well.

I also recognize the difference between what it takes to get accepted to a military pilot training program and if Mommy and Daddy can write a check to Mom and Pop.


It appears from all the butthurt that has been exhibited on this thread you "Mom and Pop" guys recognize the truth. You have quite a chip on your collective shoulders.
Mom and pop FBOs bring a huge variety of experience. And most airlines like diversity of experience for the same reasons Universities don't often hire their own graduates as professors.

Everyone brings something. The sad thing isn't any butthurt, it's the fact that someone with that extreme sort of prejudice is in a hiring position.
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Old 01-27-2019 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Airway
Everyone brings something. The sad thing isn't any butthurt, it's the fact that someone with that extreme sort of prejudice is in a hiring position.

Better get used to it. The simple fact is the airline hiring process will always tilt toward military trained pilots.
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