Butthurt (formerly Baffled)

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Quote: I take it you are not from NYC, Shanksville, PA, or Washtington, D.C.
To be fair, the military didn’t stop this from happening. Fighters were scrambled but not much protection came because it was too late. Unless you are a conspiracy theorist who believes UA 93 was shot down, in which case I really don’t want to get involved in this argument.
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I fear the US’s biggest threat will come from within.
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Quote: Factual evidence? LOL yeah some fishing there for sure.

My best tool to bring the best of the best pilots down to earth (military or civilian) for a bit is my antique bare bones no electrical system 65hp fabric and wood tailwheel airplane.

I wanted to fly military. Like from age 5 bad. Lucky for you top guns out there, they stopped issuing waivers for color vision during the early 90’s drawdown. I basically got the TBNT.

In my 20 years of being paid to fly, I have learned that the military airline guys can be further categorized by branch and aircraft.

With humor in mind, I’ve learned:

F-15 guys are typically pretty wound up. Very much into “the book says exactly this.” Chardonnay drinkers, and only one. Lots of rules and books. And micro managing the energy. Like a lot.

F-16 guys are less wound up knowing that they can pull on the stick and engage without worrying about over G. They like to use this against F-15’s. They love Germany. They like to live in Colorado Springs and drink Coors Light.

A-10 guys speak with one volume, loud. They drink straight whiskey. They have mixed emotions that the currrent fight is a high one, not a low one. Whatever that means. They like football and avoiding icing conditions of any kind.

Navy Hornet guys are fairly relaxed. They love Top Gun. And the boat. Those that flew Tomcats wish they still flew them. They don’t want to discuss the volleyball scene. Lots of high fives.

Marine Aviators hate the boat and don’t give a **** about rules or any other branch of service for that matter. Tequila shooters and stories about Okinawa and fighting sailors. They are part of the infantry.

Cobra guys like Air Force installations because of ice cream and air conditioning. They know nothing about not being deployed. They are also infantry.

AH64 guys are usually serious and quiet. They have generally killed any sort of military vehicle used in battle.

C-17, C-130, KC, and C-5 crews like breaking down in a Caribbean destination. Or Australia.

AC-130 guys are angry at the leadership.

Anyhow, thank you vets for your service. Glad to fly with you.


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Quote: Somewhere out there is an F-15C guy going ballistic because you lumped him in with the F-15E guys.
The opposite is usually more true.
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Quote: My best tool to bring the best of the best pilots down to earth (military or civilian) for a bit is my antique bare bones no electrical system 65hp fabric and wood tailwheel airplane.
I couldn’t agree more. I refuse to pigeon hole any one group. I’ve seen good and bad from all groups mentioned. What I’m more interested in is flying with guys that like being airmen. If it has wings, let’s fly it and fly it well. Hand fly when appropriate, understand the system you’re working in, and learn from the guys you fly with. The job isn’t hard, but to be really good at it takes work. I see too many guys just mailing it in. I consider it to be a craft that takes dedication to be really good at.
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Quote: I fear the US’s biggest threat will come from within.
So far, true. White domestic terrorists have killed more people on American soil than any other terrorist group. An example, that is not too well known illustrates the point: The largest loss of life in a K-12 terrorist attack was when a White farmer in Michigan blew up his local school.
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Quote: So far, true. White domestic terrorists have killed more people on American soil than any other terrorist group. An example, that is not too well known illustrates the point: The largest loss of life in a K-12 terrorist attack was when a White farmer in Michigan blew up his local school.
Also, happened 91 years ago, involved a disgruntled public employee and was hardly aimed at domestic political regime change. Crime? Yes. Tragic? Yes. Terrorism as presently understood? No.

GF
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Quote: And it continues due to the defensiveness of non-military trained pilots. Perhaps they recognize something after all...
I'm still waiting to hear what exactly a 'mom and pop shop' means.

Maybe you're just indicating that you don't trust your own resume/interviewing skills.
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Quote: I'm still waiting to hear what exactly a 'mom and pop shop' means.
Pop Belkins Flying Service.


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It seems like having a zillion hours doesn't mean what it used to. I don't know if it's the supposed accident data linking both very high time and low time guys to more accidents (than guys that are somewhere in the middle), but, there seems to be a little more focus on the person and a little less focus on the flight hours nowadays. That said, joining and succeeding in the military implies many characteristics that employers want to see. Getting mad because a military guy is getting interviewed with less hours is silly. So is getting mad that the girl who devoted most of her life to charity had her resume moved to the top of the list. Like others said, most people with the work ethic can succeed in this job, but it matters who you're going to be sitting 2 feet away from in a cockpit for 8 hours a day and, moreover, it matters how that person is going to react when a once in a lifetime ****storm of a situation happens (God forbid) that goes beyond tapping into knowledge from past flying and requires a lot of those aforementioned characteristics to truly work as a crew and survive.
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