Grumpyaviator

- The climate has been cyclical since creation.

- How much man affects that is questionable.

- Arguing over its causes has become a distraction from the real issue, each of our personal responsibilities as individuals and industries to do our part to clean up and prevent pollution.

- The carbon credit crowd has learned how to create hysteria among their supporters to profiteer from the issue rather than fix it.

Joachim

Not at all. I’m not condescending towards Walmart techs. They just wouldn’t be my first choice in an informed debate about the science of climate change given their typical education level and station in life. I’d certainly hope airline pilots to be more informed about these issues and have a more sound approach to checking for veracity and reasonableness.

galleycafe

There are too many big words here.
(Mouth breathes...)

Plane Coffee

Slaphappy

Well looks like these scientists disagree with the others in this brand new study.

http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/...gnificant.html

Someone better notify "the squad" after their daily outrage.

Slaphappy

So what? The data and articles on that site are what matter.

Peacock

The science is settled.

SETTLED!

at6d

Men can also now decide that they are women. So...science.

Rolf

From that same quoted article.

“The paper has been criticised for not being peer reviewed and other climate scientists have refuted the conclusions reached by Kauppinen and Malmi. Critics have said that in addition to not being peer reviewed, Malmi and Kauppinen fail to provide correct physical explanation, have not linked to- or sited to enough sources to support their claims and although they denounce climate models, they use one themselves to prove their own points.”

Big E 757

I agree with this. This earth is 6-7 billion years old. Fossilized tropical plants have been found in Montana and Wyoming, from millions of years ago, indicating that at one point, those states had a much more moderate climate. The earth has experienced ice ages and the melting of glacial ice packs for millions of years. Reversals of the magnetic poles. The earth has been through a lot, and all this “scientific data” of global warming is based off of the last 200 years of recorded data. In any other scientific world, 200 years of data against 6 billion years of existence would be such a small sample size, it wouldn’t be relevant or acceptable.

Are we affecting the current global temperature shifts? I don’t think so. But that doesn’t excuse us from polluting our home. We are going to run out of places to put our garbage, and I think it is important for us to find better, cleaner, energy sources.

I’m all for a cleaner environment, and China, and smaller third world countries need to get on board, but blaming the current environment on the industrial revolution and everything that has happened since is a very myopic view, in my opinion. If we had 1 million years of historic global temperature data, it would still be a small sample size, but it would show more wild swings in average global temps and make us all feel better about our small, insignificant effect on our planet. Just my opinion, flame away!

Edit: We would really only need to go back 1000 years. If we tracked the emergence from the last ice age in the 1200-1300’s, I’m guessing average temperature rise would be pretty consistent, year over year, as we, or they, emerged from that period.

Hetman

Doom on you

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay9o-r3Y4dc