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Old 08-03-2019, 12:35 AM   #71  
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You have still lost me on how this gets you more pay. Everyone gets paid for the entire flight at every airline I am aware of when the crew is augmented.
Itís the same way everyone else does. Delta has green slips trips (or whatever itís called) if a trip drops into open time and I wann pick something up on a day off, bingo bango. I get paid at time and a half. So Iíd catch a commercial flight from my home and get paid at 150% pay to sit in a seat and have a nap. Arrive at destination and sleep. Operate a flight someplace and get paid @150% pay. Arrive at destination and sleep. Wake up and catch a flight home and get paid @150%. Day off pay is 4 hrs or whatever is greater. Not exactly the best but itís a start.

Yes, our 64 hr min is low, but I never seem to do be near there. Some guys yes, others no. I normally do in the upper 90ís to low 100ís. If I have a 90-100 month and snag a OT trip that can realistically pay 20-30 hours Iíll do it in a heartbeat. And that can be as easy as commercial from my home to cvg and sleep in a hotel, operate to Japan, then Hong Kong. Sleep in a hotel and go to anchorage the next day. Or one leg from cvg to Leipzig. And dead head home.

We get paid for our commercial dead heads. We get paid to sit reserve. It all adds up.

Some of our cka are pulling in up to and over $500,000 a year and good on them.

We donít operate on part 117 work rules. We can go over the usual 30 in 7 or whatever it is called now a days. 3 pilots equals more time aloft and 4 is even more.

Also, itís pay credit hours, not hours actually worked that help. Lots of guys at my seniority on the 400 are pulling in near what I made. Some more, some less. 767 guys not so much. I go to work, make as much as I can and go home. Each month I have a two week vacation with my family. I use the points and miles earned for free hotel stays and air travel.

Some of our pilots live in other countries. Some travel the USA in a RV and go to wrk from where they left the camper. We had some guys living on boats. Company buys em a ticket to go and come back (except for the foreign guys I donít know how they work it) but it works for them.

Does this help you understand? Hope it helps. Just trying clear it up for you as best as I can.
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So Iíd catch a commercial flight from my home and get paid at 150% pay to sit in a seat and have a nap. ..... Wake up and catch a flight home and get paid @150%.
Deadheads are still paid at 50% even on days off not 150%. So most times you get the 4 hrs of day off pay.
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My mistake you are correct.
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Yes, this has saved me once. But many times, this provision doesnít apply. What if your deviation is just one leg to your layover? Should we instead deviate to the second leg of the original DH just for the protection on that leg? In essence, unless your deviation just so happens to go through your the city of the second leg on your original DH, its useless.

My question is, whatís the difference whether you catch up to the second leg? Why not protect the entire deviation regardless of whether you catch up to the second leg? This policy is completely inferior to legacy airlines.


Big picture what youíre talking about is negotiation stuff vs this thread about what the present polices and options are around the industry.

Small picture, we all have to figure out what works best for us individually. Odds are if you can get a nonstop direct to the layover, youíve got some options domestically at least. For the most part given the way we tend to bid, that Dh is relatively close to our neck of the woods so there are likely multiple flight options to get one there. Basically because for most flights in a one leg situation, youíre at either end of a hub/spoke. Thereís also a pretty good chance that one of those flight options is the companyís option, it just may not be the one you personally want to take. Maybe you have more FF miles on DL and want them vs AA or you canít stand a particular airline. Or more likely the company DH choice is one you prefer not to take. Ie it gets in on Sunday night with a 24hr or more layover before leaving and you want to take a later flight and have protection.

All valid discussion points going forward, though from the outside imo they shouldnít be discouraging factors in taking this job relative to the industry.


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