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Old 05-04-2007, 05:57 AM   #21  
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At lease they are saying what they want to the public. At ALPA, its all about secrecy for some reason, Only the top few can know, and that ****es me off. We have been in contract talks for 2 1/2 years at pinnacle and i have heard plenty of times what our managment wants, but havent heard one time what rates we are going for. I just wish i was more informed.
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Old 05-04-2007, 06:40 AM   #22  
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Ummm....let's see.

You try to land in thunderstorms, plow through trees on short final, land on taxiways, fly into mountains, twist tails off airplanes,.....

and you want a pay raise?
A comment like that is totally uncalled for! That accident doesn't represnt every AA flight crew and was not the reason for the cuts in the first place.
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Old 05-04-2007, 06:43 AM   #23  
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Ummm....let's see.

You try to land in thunderstorms, plow through trees on short final, land on taxiways, fly into mountains, twist tails off airplanes,.....

and you want a pay raise?
Tell me that this guy is kidding. ..someone...
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Old 05-04-2007, 06:53 AM   #24  
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Tell me that this guy is kidding. ..someone...

No he is not. He is TWA furloughed. He hates all things AA, especially APA and pilot group. He would rather have the enitre airline vanish than prosper.

He does not represent all TWA pilots. I know many and they are great guys. Others who have issues/disgreements with APA/AA are still very professional, like Fli Fast.

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Old 05-04-2007, 08:02 AM   #25  
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No he is not. He is TWA furloughed. He hates all things AA, especially APA and pilot group. He would rather have the enitre airline vanish than prosper.

He does not represent all TWA pilots. I know many and they are great guys. Others who have issues/disgreements with APA/AA are still very professional, like Fli Fast.

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Is he TWA? Do we know that for sure? If he is he definitely doesn't represent the rest of the TWA pilots with that comment.
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Is he TWA? Do we know that for sure? If he is he definitely doesn't represent the rest of the TWA pilots with that comment.

Yes , he or she is. Like I said before, there are many great TWA folks. Many know me feelings on the subject of what happened with pilot integration. I know that if went the other way we would have the same number of pilots if not more slinging mud in the oposite direction. It would be"wrong" for ME to say get over it, as I did not experience what many TWA (and AA folks) had to endure by getting furloughed, and getting pushed out of their seat.

I used FliFast as a positive expample I know there are many more as I hae exhanged PMs with others.

Sorry if it came out the wrong way.

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A little perspective-

http://www.alliedpilots.org/Public/WhereWeAreToday.pdf
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Nice try at stirring the pot, Ironspud. Sorry to say, your comments simply pass as a pathetic attempt to tick us off. They don't.

You must learn how to love yourself before you can love others. Now go love yourself!

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Hopefully this will pick up the moral at AA. Everytime I fly with AA, or when I walk through their terminals, everyone looks so dang bitter. And yes, it does rub off on the pax, they seem to aquire the attitude, even if it only for the short flight.
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Gents,

I don't condone Ironspuds comments, but I know why he feels the way he does.

Posted from another website...a paraphrased excerpt from a AA pilot running for APA president.

Captain Steve Roach for APA President
Questions and Answers at Roachapa07.com

What is your view of Supp CC?

Supp CC is the protection of 600 TWA pilots jobs left in STL {not allowed to bid out of STL} from the original number of 2450 pilot positions held by TWA pilots.

It’s a violation of Article II of the APA Constitution, where the union is bound to "to maintain uniform principles of seniority and the perpetuation thereof". The APA Board is tasked with creating policy, and the current provisions of Supp CC are a failed policy that violates the spirit, intentions and language of our Constitution. Clearly, this must be addressed as soon as possible, as should any other part of our contract that prevents any pilot from exercising their system seniority. As a member of APA's Board I was the author of APA's seniority integration policy for the Reno Air purchase. That Merger and Acquisition policy was upheld in Federal court, and set a clear precedent for protecting the legitimate career expectations of AA's pilots in any future airline acquisition. The subsequent Darrah administration demonstrated their weakness and incompetence by abandoning APA's newly written merger policy and, as a result, made a complete mess of the TWA seniority integration.

This is the best part....

Many "native" AA pilots are justifiably angry about the significant career damage they suffered (and continue to suffer) as a result of Darrah's disastrous seniority "solution" of Supp CC. Equally appalling, APA has now been left without a clear, tested integration policy, and is vulnerable and unprepared to deal with future airline acquisitions and seniority merges. As APA President, I will urge the APA Board to immediately revisit this matter and produce a proper, seniority-based solution, not only for the pilots currently on our list, but as a fair and reliable precedent for the future.


Guess he forgot AirCal was a DOH merger.
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So if the shoe was on the other foot and your fellow co-workers were telling you that your career, seat, base, equipment and airline that you brought to the merger aren't worth dog mess..you too would have some pretty harsh words.

Hopefully AA pilots will get some money instead of it being paid to AMR's management. More importantly, I hope the recall of furloughees is also part of their "openers" with the company, as opposed to Capt Roach's desire to cleanse the remaining TWA pilots.
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