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Old 08-23-2019, 07:54 PM
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That's the scam. There are some tests which they legally cannot give you as part of the hiring determination. So they "hire" you (ie CJO) and now they can give you additional tests which are supposedly not used in making hiring decisions. However if you fail these tests, you can be disqualified and the CJO revoked.

So these tests in theory should be "pass/fail" and not graded on a merit scale or combined with other metrics to make a weighted decision.
Well if I understand correctly this should not even be a part of the decision process, again there are many already at Delta that didn’t even take this test....seems to me it is a scam.... again corporate garbage and not even sure because supposedly they have a legal rep (why is that)in this board meeting. Again just plan garbage!
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Well if I understand correctly this should not even be a part of the decision process, again there are many already at Delta that didn’t even take this test....seems to me it is a scam.... again corporate garbage and not even sure because supposedly they have a legal rep (why is that)in this board meeting. Again just plan garbage!
Ahhh. You talking about the conversation with the shrink perhaps?

From what I gather, pilots from Endeavor (or whatever preferential regional program they have set up now) don’t have to talk to them, but everyone else does.

Apparently the shrink has 100% say in your future there.

Incredible.
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Ahhh. You talking about the conversation with the shrink perhaps?

From what I gather, pilots from Endeavor (or whatever preferential regional program they have set up now) don’t have to talk to them, but everyone else does.

Apparently the shrink has 100% say in your future there.

Incredible.
Under the current Endeavor DGI program, the entire interview must be completed. The previous program (SSP) didn’t require the second day of the interview.
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CAirBear View Post
Ahhh. You talking about the conversation with the shrink perhaps?

From what I gather, pilots from Endeavor (or whatever preferential regional program they have set up now) don’t have to talk to them, but everyone else does.

Apparently the shrink has 100% say in your future there.

Incredible.
Exactly my thoughts! Very poor process! Seems to me gaging someone in a 20 minute conversation is horrible and from a test that isn’t proven to be accurate. The test can only be evaluated by a shrink and they supposedly are the only ones who can interpret it! Again corporate garbage!
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Old 08-24-2019, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CAirBear View Post
Pretty much everyone here could have told you this. I’m glad my career airline doesn’t do all of this.



We have a great group of pilots who are safe and professional. We found these people without all the psycho babble BS. Who knew?



I’m not knocking Delta pilots. I have friends over there, but if you think doing math problems on one screen, while playing a game of pong on the other is going to determine whether one is a good pilot, I really don’t know what to tell you.

While it sounded like it was Delta all along, I didn’t want to assume it was and then be made a fool if it wasn’t. I don’t know enough about the other AA's and UAL's processes so I asked him to verify.

You hold a commonly incorrect view of Delta's selection process. It’s not about if you’re a good pilot; frankly they wouldn’t invite people to interview if they thought otherwise. It’s all about preparation. This entire process exists to test preparation and to see what kind of person you are outside of flying. Delta is confident enough in their training department to mold a NH into the type of pilot they want.

As with any company’s selection process, good people fall through the cracks. Every airline has had this occur, even one's without all “the psycho babble BS.” It doesn’t mean they are unworthy it's just proof no process is perfect. However, a highly subjective process has to be made highly objective to prevent the illusion of favoritism. History has shown some people can get trigger happy with lawsuits. To combat that, a points system is instituted so data can be used to justify hiring or not hiring a person.

Delta's convinced their process works and that is proven by the fact that it hasn’t changed for many years and has been used to hire thousands upon thousands of employees. I know it sounds curt, but it’s their method so one has to the play game as the price of admission.


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Originally Posted by Helperto EL View Post
Well if I understand correctly this should not even be a part of the decision process, again there are many already at Delta that didn’t even take this test....seems to me it is a scam.... again corporate garbage and not even sure because supposedly they have a legal rep (why is that)in this board meeting. Again just plan garbage!

You can thank those who have chosen to sue companies like Delta for alleged wrongful hiring practices. IMHO, you’re seeing the consequences of that.


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“They are what we thought they were”
-Dennis Green’s words ring true

Delta is Delta. Fair or unfair, completely irrelevant. It’s their game, their decision.

Move on, no need to wonder the method they use, it’s their method.

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Old 08-24-2019, 05:47 AM
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While it sounded like it was Delta all along, I didn’t want to assume it was and then be made a fool if it wasn’t. I don’t know enough about the other AA's and UAL's processes so I asked him to verify.

You hold a commonly incorrect view of Delta's selection process. It’s not about if you’re a good pilot; frankly they wouldn’t invite people to interview if they thought otherwise. It’s all about preparation. This entire process exists to test preparation and to see what kind of person you are outside of flying. Delta is confident enough in their training department to mold a NH into the type of pilot they want.

As with any company’s selection process, good people fall through the cracks. Every airline has had this occur, even one's without all “the psycho babble BS.” It doesn’t mean they are unworthy it's just proof no process is perfect. However, a highly subjective process has to be made highly objective to prevent the illusion of favoritism. History has shown some people can get trigger happy with lawsuits. To combat that, a points system is instituted so data can be used to justify hiring or not hiring a person.

Delta's convinced their process works and that is proven by the fact that it hasn’t changed for many years and has been used to hire thousands upon thousands of employees. I know it sounds curt, but it’s their method so one has to the play game as the price of admission.


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I understand what you’re saying. I agree it is a game. Preparation didn’t seem to be an issue for this individual. Many processes have flaws and this is a big flaw as I see it. To be offered a job on a condition such as this type of test like this is not ethical. Let the applicant get through the whole process first before offering the job. BTW many have gone to Delta that haven’t taken it. It’s pure silly and it’s a huge mistake. I know people slip through the cracks it does happen. Life does go on and no question the applicant was qualified.
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George is getting upset!

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All parts of the interview have claimed many “victims.” It is what it is and no amount of complaining on here changes that. Delta signs the checks so Delta sets the rules. It’s unfortunate you or your friend wasn’t hired but, as you said, no need to cry.


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I’ll pass it along GP, I don’t believe there was any reference to legality. I still think it’s unethical. I know the person was prepared. I agree owning it is important and it has been passed along. Agreed no need to cry like a whinny baby! All is good and this person is fine. I had to vent due to the frustration after hearing this story!
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