American or Delta
#101
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Joined APC: Feb 2019
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For debt? A large replacement aircraft order at DL/UAL would get them in the ballpark. Americans debt concerns me. We have gone through a huge spending spree though. New HQ/almost all new aircraft. I think we are ahead of the other carriers expenses coming up.
“American has more than $34 billion in debt, compared to United's $20 billion, Delta's $17.4 billion”
“American has more than $34 billion in debt, compared to United's $20 billion, Delta's $17.4 billion”
Also AA has a steady stream of labor with the flow thru program, so theoretically speaking if they declared BK they would have no trouble filling new hire classes since a lot of those pilots at the WOs are counting on the flow with no other backup plan. So that equates to not a lot of leverage and a possible horrid BK contract. Does this sound like a probable scenario or am I way off base here?
#102
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 480
For debt? A large replacement aircraft order at DL/UAL would get them in the ballpark. Americans debt concerns me. We have gone through a huge spending spree though. New HQ/almost all new aircraft. I think we are ahead of the other carriers expenses coming up.
“American has more than $34 billion in debt, compared to United's $20 billion, Delta's $17.4 billion”
“American has more than $34 billion in debt, compared to United's $20 billion, Delta's $17.4 billion”
#103
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Joined APC: May 2019
Posts: 116
Here's a great thread on how AA was killing it 4 years ago and a bunch of United pilots wishing they had AA's management team and profitability...
I know AA hadn't much intergrated AA/USAir yet and UAL did in fact get a major mgmt makeover but I think it shows how quick the top dog can go to the bottom and the bottom can rise to the top. All 3 legacies are making between Billions a year at the moment. I wouldn't waste too much time worrying about any legacies going bankrupt in the immediate future.
I'm thinking there may be something to what a lot of guys are saying about the legacies will continue to leap frog one another far into the future.
How pathetic are we?
I know AA hadn't much intergrated AA/USAir yet and UAL did in fact get a major mgmt makeover but I think it shows how quick the top dog can go to the bottom and the bottom can rise to the top. All 3 legacies are making between Billions a year at the moment. I wouldn't waste too much time worrying about any legacies going bankrupt in the immediate future.
I'm thinking there may be something to what a lot of guys are saying about the legacies will continue to leap frog one another far into the future.
How pathetic are we?
#104
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Position: 6th place
Posts: 1,826
Here's a great thread on how AA was killing it 4 years ago and a bunch of United pilots wishing they had AA's management team and profitability...
I know AA hadn't much intergrated AA/USAir yet and UAL did in fact get a major mgmt makeover but I think it shows how quick the top dog can go to the bottom and the bottom can rise to the top. All 3 legacies are making between Billions a year at the moment. I wouldn't waste too much time worrying about any legacies going bankrupt in the immediate future.
I'm thinking there may be something to what a lot of guys are saying about the legacies will continue to leap frog one another far into the future.
How pathetic are we?
I know AA hadn't much intergrated AA/USAir yet and UAL did in fact get a major mgmt makeover but I think it shows how quick the top dog can go to the bottom and the bottom can rise to the top. All 3 legacies are making between Billions a year at the moment. I wouldn't waste too much time worrying about any legacies going bankrupt in the immediate future.
I'm thinking there may be something to what a lot of guys are saying about the legacies will continue to leap frog one another far into the future.
How pathetic are we?
Agreed. None of the big airlines are going anywhere anytime soon.
#105
From the peanut gallery...
These posts, and the debates, are the most interesting and useful conversations on the forum. As someone hoping for a phone call, these conversations never get old. Thanks all for the varied perspectives.
These posts, and the debates, are the most interesting and useful conversations on the forum. As someone hoping for a phone call, these conversations never get old. Thanks all for the varied perspectives.
#106
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Posts: 3,655
Cast a wide net....go with the first job that makes you more competitive for the next opportunity. Someday you'll end with an airline job and it will no longer make sense to leave for another. At that point, help the pilots achieve the best pay and QOL possible, and enjoy the ride at your new favorite airline.
#107
For debt? A large replacement aircraft order at DL/UAL would get them in the ballpark. Americans debt concerns me. We have gone through a huge spending spree though. New HQ/almost all new aircraft. I think we are ahead of the other carriers expenses coming up.
“American has more than $34 billion in debt, compared to United's $20 billion, Delta's $17.4 billion”
“American has more than $34 billion in debt, compared to United's $20 billion, Delta's $17.4 billion”
Just to fix a typo:
Delta does not have $17.4B debt, it is currently $10.1B. Also, $1.9B in cash. Cashflow has been about $8B a year.
AA got ahead of their aircraft replacement cycle, hence the debt. DL has 84 scheduled aircraft deliveries in 2019, much are paid in cash. With their strong cash flow, they will be able to continue taking new year over year aircraft without significantly raising their debt.
Last edited by saturn; 10-19-2019 at 09:11 PM.
#108
On Reserve
Joined APC: Oct 2011
Posts: 20
So I enjoy the discussion in the "which airline should I choose" threads, but I'm not sure I can read them anymore. Maybe I've missed it, but does the OP ever respond with where he/she chose to go? It's like watching the entire season of the Bachelor without seeing who got the final rose. I guess what I'm saying is, who got the final rose? American or Delta. I can't handle these cliffhangers.
P.S.
I know that no one will believe me now, but I don't watch the Bachelor.
P.S.
I know that no one will believe me now, but I don't watch the Bachelor.
#109
New Hire
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Joined APC: May 2019
Posts: 3
So I enjoy the discussion in the "which airline should I choose" threads, but I'm not sure I can read them anymore. Maybe I've missed it, but does the OP ever respond with where he/she chose to go? It's like watching the entire season of the Bachelor without seeing who got the final rose. I guess what I'm saying is, who got the final rose? American or Delta. I can't handle these cliffhangers.
P.S.
I know that no one will believe me now, but I don't watch the Bachelor.
P.S.
I know that no one will believe me now, but I don't watch the Bachelor.
In the end, the opportunity to live near family, in domicile, less than 30 minutes from the airport, combined with the mandatory retirements at American, is too good of an opportunity to overlook.
But keep the back-and-forth coming so the next guy has even more to consider!
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