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Trowserchilli 03-31-2021 05:58 PM

https://simpleflying.com/us-airline-recovery-winners/?fbclid=IwAR0tpNfD8p1M0IixIVVn9xp-t5C2F9kD3yorTcGyR40GqWg3DOpJ23bcwxs

Chunk 04-05-2021 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by Trowserchilli (Post 3214284)
https://simpleflying.com/us-airline-recovery-winners/?fbclid=IwAR0tpNfD8p1M0IixIVVn9xp-t5C2F9kD3yorTcGyR40GqWg3DOpJ23bcwxs


I don’t know how anyone looks at that data and puts Allegiant and Frontier in the headline but cuts Spirit out.

BaseballFlyer7 04-06-2021 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by Chunk (Post 3217396)
I don’t know how anyone looks at that data and puts Allegiant and Frontier in the headline but cuts Spirit out.

wha wha

Frontier, Allegiant and Spirit lead the airline recovery push. There ya go...

Al Czervik 04-07-2021 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by BaseballFlyer7 (Post 3218026)
wha wha

Frontier, Allegiant and Spirit lead the airline recovery push. There ya go...


Looks like AA and JB too

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...02f61c01a4.jpg

chrisreedrules 04-07-2021 08:28 AM

Important to note that is just capacity being offered.

Al Czervik 04-07-2021 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3218250)
Important to note that is just capacity being offered.

Right. Doesn’t fit with your narrative.

ULLI 04-07-2021 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3218299)
Right. Doesn’t fit with your narrative.

Pretty simple, who needed the bail out the most? Opinions are one things, numbers are another!

Personally I am glad thing are on the upswing now for everyone.

Al Czervik 04-07-2021 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by ULLI (Post 3218305)
Pretty simple, who needed the bail out the most? Opinions are one things, numbers are another!

Personally I am glad thing are on the upswing now for everyone.

So the numbers are: no outstanding loans and everyone took the free grants.

ULLI 04-07-2021 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3218343)
So the numbers are: no outstanding loans and everyone took the free grants.

What I am trying to say, who needed it the most? Certainly not the ULCCs

Excargodog 04-07-2021 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by ULLI (Post 3218382)
What I am trying to say, who needed it the most? Certainly not the ULCCs

this hasn’t played out yet. Everybody incurred debt - some more than others - and most saw share dilution. Most companies are unlikely to generate a cash flow in the next few years that will permit them to pay off tranches of bonds as they mature meaning they will need to refinance that debt in a few years (or less). Bonds on used aircraft may not (or may) be renewable at the same coupon that they were originally given when those aircraft were new. And a little whiff of inflation - not impossible when $3 Trillion in infrastructure improvements are being debated - could dramatically increase debt service requirements for those with bad credit ratings (which is almost all airlines currently). There is still considerable uncertainty.


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