Boeing NMA is DOA

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01-24-2020, 11:19 AM

#21

BoilerUP

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Gate space is a factor in this as well...

A321XLR has a wingspan of 118'
737 MAX 10 has a wingspan of 118'
757-200/300 has a wingspan of 135' (winglets)
767-300 has a wingspan of 167' (winglets)
767-400/X has a wingspan of 170'
787-8/9 has a wingspan of 197'.
A330CEO has a wingspan of 198.
A330NEO has a wingspan of 210'.

01-24-2020, 12:32 PM

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Baradium

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aero1900

I've long thought that Boeing has too thin of a market for the NMA.

They have made the 737 so big (Max9 and Max10) that the gap between it and the 787 is just too small to really have a huge number of sales for a new plane. I like the idea of a spruced up 767, but that would just be a less efficient 787. I don't know

The problem with the 787 is that on routes a 767 can do it isn't any more efficient than a current 767, so a more efficient 767 would probably be more efficient than a 787. Boeing just wants airlines to order the 787 for all those routes too.

01-24-2020, 06:04 PM

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Whatever happened to the 787-3?

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01-24-2020, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TallFlyer

Whatever happened to the 787-3?

787-3 was initially targeted for Japan. It was supposed to be a 787-8 with clipped wings to fit in a 767 gate. Inefficiency would be compensated for by cramming in 300-ish people, but when the 787 program ran 3+ years behind schedule ANA & JAL switched orders to the 787-8. That left zero 787-3 orders so Boeing didn't develop it.

01-24-2020, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TimetoClimb

The 321XLR is the same tech as the neo but with added tanks, deceased payload iirc. It's obvious that airlines want an airframe they can deploy on a wide vsriety (up to 4700NM) of routes with reasonable load factors and to be able to redeploy if a particular route isn't profitable. Long and thin. I think there is definitely a case for a 5000NM plane with 210-240 pax and 25 percent lower burn but who knows.

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Sounds more like the MAX than the NEO.....

01-25-2020, 08:39 AM

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They’ll probably make a single pilot jet to reduce pilot retirement “shortage” and effectively double the amount of pilots they have.

maybe they’ll even start and 8 series.

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848
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and so on....

01-25-2020, 08:53 AM

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They need to design a new modern airplane, with it's own type rating. If their new revolutionary and innovative design still requires a rubber band to talk to the guy next to me it's going to fail.

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01-25-2020, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by snackysmores

They need to design a new modern airplane, with it's own type rating. If their new revolutionary and innovative design still requires a fking rubber band to talk to the guy next to me it's going to fail.

Just hope there IS a guy next to you...

(and by what Airbus has been saying just hope there is even a pilot up front to begin with)

01-26-2020, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Name User

Just hope there IS a guy next to you...

(and by what Airbus has been saying just hope there is even a pilot up front to begin with)

One pilot operations would would give people caution. One engineer trains are bad enough.

01-27-2020, 02:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Name User

Just hope there IS a guy next to you...

(and by what Airbus has been saying just hope there is even a pilot up front to begin with)

decades of CRM data. Decades. One pilot is not the answer.

We obviously have no idea what happened with Kobe but I’d bet that having a second pilot (if there wasn’t one) probably would have done wonders for CRM in the challenging conditions if it wasn’t a mechanical issue.

One pilot aircraft operating as an airliner would throw out all we know about CRM. And quite frankly many of us and many more passengers would probably be dead today if it weren’t for operating in a crew environment and treating it as a crew mission.

Last edited by Qotsaautopilot; 01-27-2020 at 03:07 PM.