Respect
05-16-2007 | 07:40 PM
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[QUOTE=Sideshow Bob;166776]
Really you and I are a lot alike.
I am all about dissuading those who have better things to do than to waste their lives in a cold and still flight deck at 3:00 in the morning. To me flying is merely a job. I have a good life that I defend. Things that I value more than what the long and enduring sacrifices of a typical pilot career will give. What you give up in trade for the "cubicle" I claim to be inferior to the benefits of a life with financial rewards, friends and family.
An aviation career is a loners paradise. I wish I had someone to tell me and my generation better. If someone wants if more than they can have it. I choose life. Had I known better I would have gone to sell junk bonds. There are better plumbs for the sacrifices to grasp.
In conclusion, you and I are on the same team. You continue to cull those who would choose a lonely cold concrete hotel room over a life with people they know and love while I will continue to warn those who enjoy life and prosperity.
Skyhigh
Maybe you are right. Perhaps this career is about unending sacrifice and hardship. Like I have previously said it seems like one is expected to give it all till there is nothing left of our lives but sleep and work. If you are comfortable with multiple furloughs, layoffs and shutdowns and still come back for more then my next question is that where does one draw the line? When do we start to respect ourselves? The industry sure will not. Not so long as they can kick someone to the curb for decades and they keep coming back.
Skyhigh:
Jeeeze...please point out a "career" that is free of hardship, fair and in recognition of skill, dedication and passion above all else and you'll be the pied piper of modern times. Of course I wasn't "comfortable" with furloughs and disappointments that had nothing to do with me...who is? I chose this career because it's all I ever really wanted to do. When income came up short, I picked up additional work (fortunately in aviation) until I got something better. I never burned bridges at jobs, never let my CFI expire and didn't treat those that some would consider "below me" below me, because beyond being a crappy way to live will deny you some good opportunities.
When puppies ask about starting out in this thing of ours I first ask why...really why they want to do it. If it's the "money", the "glamour" or flight attendant panties I strongly encourage them to go to business school and learn to sell junk bonds or raid airlines like Jet Blue. Because unless one lives the charmed life in this thing there WILL be setbacks that have little or nothing to do with you because anything less than a true love of flying for flying's sake will not carry you through those tough times, and in many cases innocent families may suffer so that somebody with the wrong motivation was playing airline pilot but didn't have the guts to see it through. By all measures, most would have quit if in my shoes 14 years ago, but since I didn't, combined with some good fortune (different than luck) I am in a great position and not inclined to apologize for it.
Nowhere in the brochure that I read did it say that my bosses would love me, I'd only work five days a month, make 500K a year and have all the women call me captain with adoring eyes. Maybe somebody should have given you the speech when you were a puppy and you could have gone to selling junk bonds, raiding Jet Blue and being called sir by employees who hate your guts but have families to feed. Some people just need to be cubicle monkeys I guess. Crap or get off the pot sport...somebody who wants it more is behind you.
Skyhigh:
Jeeeze...please point out a "career" that is free of hardship, fair and in recognition of skill, dedication and passion above all else and you'll be the pied piper of modern times. Of course I wasn't "comfortable" with furloughs and disappointments that had nothing to do with me...who is? I chose this career because it's all I ever really wanted to do. When income came up short, I picked up additional work (fortunately in aviation) until I got something better. I never burned bridges at jobs, never let my CFI expire and didn't treat those that some would consider "below me" below me, because beyond being a crappy way to live will deny you some good opportunities.
When puppies ask about starting out in this thing of ours I first ask why...really why they want to do it. If it's the "money", the "glamour" or flight attendant panties I strongly encourage them to go to business school and learn to sell junk bonds or raid airlines like Jet Blue. Because unless one lives the charmed life in this thing there WILL be setbacks that have little or nothing to do with you because anything less than a true love of flying for flying's sake will not carry you through those tough times, and in many cases innocent families may suffer so that somebody with the wrong motivation was playing airline pilot but didn't have the guts to see it through. By all measures, most would have quit if in my shoes 14 years ago, but since I didn't, combined with some good fortune (different than luck) I am in a great position and not inclined to apologize for it.
Nowhere in the brochure that I read did it say that my bosses would love me, I'd only work five days a month, make 500K a year and have all the women call me captain with adoring eyes. Maybe somebody should have given you the speech when you were a puppy and you could have gone to selling junk bonds, raiding Jet Blue and being called sir by employees who hate your guts but have families to feed. Some people just need to be cubicle monkeys I guess. Crap or get off the pot sport...somebody who wants it more is behind you.
I am all about dissuading those who have better things to do than to waste their lives in a cold and still flight deck at 3:00 in the morning. To me flying is merely a job. I have a good life that I defend. Things that I value more than what the long and enduring sacrifices of a typical pilot career will give. What you give up in trade for the "cubicle" I claim to be inferior to the benefits of a life with financial rewards, friends and family.
An aviation career is a loners paradise. I wish I had someone to tell me and my generation better. If someone wants if more than they can have it. I choose life. Had I known better I would have gone to sell junk bonds. There are better plumbs for the sacrifices to grasp.
In conclusion, you and I are on the same team. You continue to cull those who would choose a lonely cold concrete hotel room over a life with people they know and love while I will continue to warn those who enjoy life and prosperity.
Skyhigh
05-16-2007 | 07:56 PM
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From: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
"I am all about dissuading those who have better things to do than to waste their lives in a cold and still flight deck at 3:00 in the morning"
240K last year. What a waste, indeed.....
240K last year. What a waste, indeed.....
05-16-2007 | 09:02 PM
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I'm pretty sure that he's not referring to UPS, SWA, FDX pilots. Most pilots don't have a W-2 worth bragging about. I think that aviation is still a good profession. I am, however, worried that it won't remain that way.
05-16-2007 | 09:09 PM
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Admit it, Sky. In your heart, you still want that pilot seat, but you're trying to immunize yourself against another rejection. Forget the pre-emptive sour grapes and go for it! It's possible that you will get hired, but find that you have talked YOURSELF out of enjoying the job! 
05-16-2007 | 10:01 PM
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Admit it, Sky. In your heart, you still want that pilot seat, but you're trying to immunize yourself against another rejection. Forget the pre-emptive sour grapes and go for it! It's possible that you will get hired, but find that you have talked YOURSELF out of enjoying the job!
You truly are a Good Man. Perhaps I am not so afraid of rejection than I am of actually getting the job. Be careful what you wish for my mother always told me.
Thank you for the kind messages,
Skyhigh
05-16-2007 | 10:03 PM
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Future man Got it.
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05-16-2007 | 10:27 PM
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From: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
"waste their lives in a cold and still flight deck at 3:00 in the morning"
"I'm pretty sure that he's not referring to UPS..FDX pilots"
No? What else do you think he meant? Who else is flying at 3am?
I'm thinking it's just another silly oversight, or maybe just another dumb, baseless, post from Skyhigh.
No big deal. I'm quite used to Skyhigh's meanless diatribe. Just thought I'd make the point in case anyone is listening. I'm hoping not, though....
"I'm pretty sure that he's not referring to UPS..FDX pilots"
No? What else do you think he meant? Who else is flying at 3am?
I'm thinking it's just another silly oversight, or maybe just another dumb, baseless, post from Skyhigh.
No big deal. I'm quite used to Skyhigh's meanless diatribe. Just thought I'd make the point in case anyone is listening. I'm hoping not, though....
05-17-2007 | 12:11 AM
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I tell my students that they have to love to fly more than most anything and be prepared to do whatever it takes to hang in there. Yeah the industry isn't the same as it was. But there are still jobs to do and evidently plenty of pilots to do them. I couldn't do the 9 to 5 thing. I might last 5 years before I had to change jobs. 4:30 shows this semester sucked, but I needed multi time and there was a seat in the 404 with my name on it, so I was there. Most of my friends think I'm crazy to spend a Friday or Saturday morning flying the suits around the region, but I still loved it. That's why I won't give in. I'm getting paid to do the very thing I'd do in my spare time. How many people can really say that about their job?
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