MaxQ

I was trying to be subtle and clever regarding the language's reputation for being especially rich in expressing nuance and wry insight into ourselves and the human condition......I regret posting it, as by just tossing it out there by itself it implys all sorts of obnoxiousness beyond my thoughts

Packrat

Hopefully, you're quoting The Onion.

Aeirum

Gotcha. That went over my head.

Slaphappy

Don't think you know what that word means. So far President Trump has been the most aggressive to respond to this out of all the worlds leaders except for china.

atpcliff

From the below study:

If we do nothing, there will be about 2.2 million US deaths. If we take some measures, kind of like we are now, there will be about 1.1 million deaths. If we go full out to stop the spread of the virus, we could have less than 20,000 deaths in the US. Full out means no school, concerts, restaurants, bars, travel, etc., until we get enough people vaccinated, which will probably take 12-18 months. Also, if someone tests positive in a household, everyone in the household needs to be in 14 day quarantine. These were some of the report highlights...

Note from Italy: This Sunday they had 3,000 confirmed cases. The next day, this Monday, they had 27,980 confirmed cases. Experts estimate that Italy is about 10 days ahead of the US.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...VNP?li=BBnb7Kz

highfarfast

It's funny some of the comments I read here. I think you can complain about him driving our industry into the ground. He ordered the travel bans. We don't know now but maybe we'll look back and say it wasn't necessary. If that was the direction his critics went, I'd shrug my shoulders and say, "I'm listening".

Instead, I hear vague things like "mismanagement" or "lack of leadership". Despite what I hear, what I see is that the US is one of the VERY few first world countries ahead of this thing... and you could argue that his travel bans had something to do with it. And that argument actually makes more sense than "mismanagement" or "lack of leadership".

Disclaimer: While I DID vote in the last presidential election, I did NOT vote for Trump. Just pointing out an observation. Sometimes I think people need to step back and think about what they're actually saying.

highfarfast

It sounds to me like we're doing a lot of those things. Maybe not all in all places. I live in an area with no reported cases yet the schools are closed indefinitely, public gatherings of 50 or more are prohibited (which would mean no concerts), restaurants and bars have not been forcibly closed here yet but I've seen on the news they have been in other places, and travel... have you seen the loads on airplanes lately?

captjns

True my question is a supposition. But what would the picture be, today, had the administration jumped on the band wagon when the pandemic was discovered in China as early as December of last year, or even in mid January? Well the clock can’t be turned back, and yes, we have move on... at a faster pace with greater chance for errors

Poor use of Workload Management, Situational Awareness, Application of Procedures, Communications, and Team Leadership come to mimd.

MaxQ

Poland instituted aggressive non essential services shutdown when USA leadership was saying it will die out...like a miracle. The spread there has been minimal.

Most measures taken in the US have been local, which means they are ad-hoc. I would think it has helped tremendously, but it’s effectiveness is lessened by the lack of coordination and symbiotic cooperation at the federal level.
it is kind of like my wife taking safety precautions for our home, but me still going to work and traveling about the country with lots of interaction with lots of people. All the positive outcomes of her reasonable precautions are put at risk when I come back home. Same applies for when an individual company, or city, or school system, or state does it. It doesn’t help as much as when their neighbor does it as well.

Squirrel27

[MOD EDIT: PARTISAN POLITICS]

Instead of mocking for weeks, we could have been stocking up on ventilators, working on tests and vaccines, preparing for social distancing, and passing legislation to help workers and small businesses. Instead, we're weeks behind.

We have no idea where we're at. South Korea tests 15,000 people per day. We're only testing people with symptoms; by then, it's far too late, as they've been passing it around for a week. Trump is not on top of this, and it's not only killing people, it's killing the economy, and killing our industry.