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Old 03-31-2020 | 02:23 PM
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Default Forbes piece on reshaping of the industry...

incognito mode to read...very telling if even half of this comes to fruition.....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/deandon...Q#7b3d8d4167b9
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Old 03-31-2020 | 02:38 PM
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I find this part funny, considering a lot of the experts on here were calling for F9/NK to fold first......

“These changes will also make low-cost carrier (LCC) models like Spirit and Frontier more attractive. The addressable market will grow for these businesses as the proportion of price sensitive leisure volume increases and the market opportunities for mid-range long-haul expand. In addition, LCC business models are well adapted to make money in narrow bodyoperations with high volume and low yields. So expect profit and growth acceleration out of this group first and rapid share gains taken from the hub and spoke carriers as the recovery takes hold.”
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Old 03-31-2020 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SAABoroowski
I find this part funny, considering a lot of the experts on here were calling for F9/NK to fold first......

“These changes will also make low-cost carrier (LCC) models like Spirit and Frontier more attractive. The addressable market will grow for these businesses as the proportion of price sensitive leisure volume increases and the market opportunities for mid-range long-haul expand. In addition, LCC business models are well adapted to make money in narrow bodyoperations with high volume and low yields. So expect profit and growth acceleration out of this group first and rapid share gains taken from the hub and spoke carriers as the recovery takes hold.”
Yes, because people will want to fly on more crowded aircraft over less crowded ones?
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Old 03-31-2020 | 03:04 PM
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Yes, because people will want to fly on more crowded aircraft over less crowded ones?
lol, do you really think people will buy a ticket because UAL/DAL/AA will give them 1.5” more room?, lol yeah..........that’ll stop the Spreading of germs
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Old 04-01-2020 | 03:41 PM
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Yes, because people will want to fly on more crowded aircraft over less crowded ones?
Exactly. People always consider plane density when booking a flight. Insightful.
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Old 04-01-2020 | 03:52 PM
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Here’s the thing. I’ve been in the career about a decade. Guess what I see every single winter which is cold and flu season? Packed airplanes. Literally no gave a single F about POSSIBLY getting sick while traveling by airplane.

People traveled like crazy when they could have gotten sick and they will do it again when this is over with.

Your talking about Americans. A society who, by and large, have the most ridiculous shortest attention span of probably any other society on the planet.

This idea that Americans are going to be too scared to ever fly again is ridiculously stupid. 8-12 months from now (assuming we actually have defeated this or close to) will be a distance memory as they get on with their lives.

Im sure some super pessimistic folks will go on and tell me now flawed I am now.
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Old 04-01-2020 | 04:01 PM
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A large sector of the industry uses points, first class and international travel, all provided by network carriers.

The ulccs don’t offer a comparative product of the network carriers.
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
A large sector of the industry uses points, first class and international travel, all provided by network carriers.

The ulccs don’t offer a comparative product of the network carriers.
they’d argue those programs with the lounges and all that are expensive and if they forgo it they can offer a more competitive fare. If business travel declines or the businesses want to be more frugal it’ll be a paradigm shift in the industry.
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Old 04-01-2020 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
A large sector of the industry uses points, first class and international travel, all provided by network carriers.

The ulccs don’t offer a comparative product of the network carriers.
Let me ask you this....:what store is open right now and making money?, Walmart/Target or Nordstrom?
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Old 04-01-2020 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CAirBear
Here’s the thing. I’ve been in the career about a decade. Guess what I see every single winter which is cold and flu season? Packed airplanes. Literally no gave a single F about POSSIBLY getting sick while traveling by airplane.

People traveled like crazy when they could have gotten sick and they will do it again when this is over with.

Your talking about Americans. A society who, by and large, have the most ridiculous shortest attention span of probably any other society on the planet.

This idea that Americans are going to be too scared to ever fly again is ridiculously stupid. 8-12 months from now (assuming we actually have defeated this or close to) will be a distance memory as they get on with their lives.

Im sure some super pessimistic folks will go on and tell me now flawed I am now.
I think the "final" death toll and whether or not this turns out to be seasonal as well as when a vaccine is available will determine the publics long term memory. More fatalities means it becomes more personal to more people. It took a complete overhaul of security after 9/11 and it will take something similar from a health perspective this time. We better start figuring out ways to keep aircraft clean and their environmental systems cleaner and make sure the traveling public knows it.
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