In Aircraft Training vs Sim
10-09-2021, 03:06 PM
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In Aircraft Training vs Sim
Yea, it is expensive and dangerous and hasn’t been done in decades.
But other than that… is it actually impossible to conduct 121 training in an airplane, in whole or in part, if a lack sim availability forces the issue? (For example, pull a 777 from the desert to use for reserve pilot bounces)
But other than that… is it actually impossible to conduct 121 training in an airplane, in whole or in part, if a lack sim availability forces the issue? (For example, pull a 777 from the desert to use for reserve pilot bounces)
10-09-2021, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
Yea, it is expensive and dangerous and hasn’t been done in decades.
But other than that… is it actually impossible to conduct 121 training in an airplane, in whole or in part, if a lack sim availability forces the issue? (For example, pull a 777 from the desert to use for reserve pilot bounces)
But other than that… is it actually impossible to conduct 121 training in an airplane, in whole or in part, if a lack sim availability forces the issue? (For example, pull a 777 from the desert to use for reserve pilot bounces)
It could be done, but by the time a program was qualified, it might be 2023. By that time, I suspect additional sims will be delivered and operational. Meanwhile, I think the airlines are going to be between a rock and a hard place.
10-09-2021, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Duckdude
It was common to do some of the training in the aircraft in turboprops around 20 years ago - I know I did.
15 % of the training, if I recall. Takeoffs and landings, normal and engine out (idle).
15 % of the training, if I recall. Takeoffs and landings, normal and engine out (idle).
But for all the varied approaches, wx conditions, and emergency procedures it's usually pretty impractical to do it in a plane. Think about the all the boxes that get checked on a PC or MV. Not to mention safety... how many times can you stall a swept-wing jet for training before something bad happens?
10-09-2021, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Duckdude
It was common to do some of the training in the aircraft in turboprops around 20 years ago - I know I did.
15 % of the training, if I recall. Takeoffs and landings, normal and engine out (idle).
15 % of the training, if I recall. Takeoffs and landings, normal and engine out (idle).
The cost to do pattern work in a 777 would be staggering.
10-09-2021, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
(For example, pull a 777 from the desert to use for reserve pilot bounces)
https://youtu.be/IUS64D9joXs
10-09-2021, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
You don’t need a 777 for that. I actually came across some footage of a group of reserve pilots doing bounces on their own.
https://youtu.be/IUS64D9joXs
https://youtu.be/IUS64D9joXs
10-10-2021, 02:24 AM
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In aircraft training didn’t go quite as planned for these two carriers.
https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=19690726-1
https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=19670330-0
Although, there are a number of CFR 135 operators that conduct training and type rating rides in their aircraft for SIC Type Ratings, following guidances published in the FSIMS.
https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=19690726-1
https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=19670330-0
Although, there are a number of CFR 135 operators that conduct training and type rating rides in their aircraft for SIC Type Ratings, following guidances published in the FSIMS.
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