ALPA: Don't raise retirement age
06-20-2022, 10:39 AM
#161
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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
they have to do with the original comment where someone said ab initio works for Lufthansa.
if that is your definition of "it works" then I bet there are 144 families who disagree.
if that is your definition of "it works" then I bet there are 144 families who disagree.
if the pilot had had a German Air Force background (like the pilot in the flight I mentioned who had a military flying background in his country) would you say “hiring ex military pilots clearly does not work” or acknowledge that one person having a mental breakdown does not mean the way that person trained for the job does not work.
06-20-2022, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
The brand was tarnished.
https://twitter.com/lufthansa/status...719488?lang=en
https://www.dw.com/en/lufthansa-face...ash/a-53346800
Lufthansa ultimately "won" the lawsuit years later. They didn't have to pay extra compensation to the families. But when your brand is dragged through the press with lawsuits for 5 years that's a rather expensive "win".
https://twitter.com/lufthansa/status...719488?lang=en
https://www.dw.com/en/lufthansa-face...ash/a-53346800
Lufthansa ultimately "won" the lawsuit years later. They didn't have to pay extra compensation to the families. But when your brand is dragged through the press with lawsuits for 5 years that's a rather expensive "win".
06-20-2022, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
i can’t find anywhere where his ab initio background was the cause of the crash.
if the pilot had had a German Air Force background (like the pilot in the flight I mentioned who had a military flying background in his country) would you say “hiring ex military pilots clearly does not work” or acknowledge that one person having a mental breakdown does not mean the way that person trained for the job does not work.
if the pilot had had a German Air Force background (like the pilot in the flight I mentioned who had a military flying background in his country) would you say “hiring ex military pilots clearly does not work” or acknowledge that one person having a mental breakdown does not mean the way that person trained for the job does not work.
Someone claimed 'ab initio works for Lufthansa'. I questioned that blanket "it works great" pollyanish statement with the fact that a Lifthansa ab initio 100 hour hire purposely crashed an airliner and killed 144 people.
Does that meet your definition of "ab initio works for Lufthansa"?
06-20-2022, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Their LCC subsidiary took the brunt of it, not Lufthansa. Maybe that's why they sent the broken toy there in the first place.
06-20-2022, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
I would disagree with your statement since the lawsuit and the years of bad press were against Lufthansa. The initial crash, sure the media was saying "Germanwings crash" every few minutes and that's bad, but the long term lawsuit headlines were against Lufthansa.
GW was shutdown. The regionals which had at-fault fatal accidents here in the US this century have all been shut down. Funny how the off-brand subsidiaries go away but the mainline brands keeps on truckin'
06-20-2022, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Better for LH to be named later in a lawsuit than have their logo on the big headlines. You and I know the relationship between GW and LH, but if I ask 10 friends and family five of them might remember germanwings but none would have any idea that LH was involved. Several german speakers and natives in that circle. Folks residing in DE are probably more aware.
Ok, what does that have to due with the issue? Americans don't know a lot of things about Germany just like Germans don't know a lot of things about America.
But everybody knows United Airlines beat up that Doctor and physically tossed him off an airplane a few years ago..... even though it wasn't United it was a feeder airline.
Anyway, Germany doesn't have much to do with our age 67/68 question so I'll leave it there.
But if someone says "ab initio works for Lufthansa" my answer remains the same.
06-20-2022, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
But if someone says "ab initio works for Lufthansa" my answer remains the same.
06-20-2022, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mytime2025
Probably the dumbest thing ALPA has done. UAL wants to expand and grow along with other airlines and ALPA is putting up a roadblock to mainly international expansion. Good thing these geniuses are not managing the airlines. But I digress irregardless of ALPA passing a worthless resolution the FAA / ICAO and Congess will increase the age because the traveling public will demand it. It's the only option that will fix the current mess overnight
Theyve still got National committee chairmen that insist there is no shortage at all, not now and not later.
06-22-2022, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly4FunAA
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/pilot-shortage-start-ageism-rcna34831
“It is time to clear the boomers for takeoff.”
Now it’s not even age 67, they just want no age.
“It is time to clear the boomers for takeoff.”
Now it’s not even age 67, they just want no age.
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