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06-20-2022 | 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

It sort of worked for them. They had the common sense to send the lesser candidates to their low-cast affiliate so as not to tarnish the big brand.

and the families of the 144 killed ....... how did it work for them?

06-20-2022 | 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mytime2025

ALPA has done plenty to de- value pilot labor. Lets Starr at not reinstating a pension plan. That one thing lone has taken millions out of pilots pockets. They won't even talk about it. I wonder often what side are these guys on?

is this where we pretend that ALPA just waves a magic wand and suddenly pensions come back?

06-20-2022 | 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by OOfff

is this where we pretend that ALPA just waves a magic wand and suddenly pensions come back?

Agreed. Funny how the guys in favor of raising the retirement age are the same ones babbling about bringing back pensions with the same passive-aggressive arguments and attacks for those who disagree.

This is such a stupid "debate" and I can't believe it's still raging. Nobody cares what we think they are either going to do this or not do this and endlessly arguing about whether it should happens here solves nothing. as usual, pilots give themselves way too much credit and control.

06-20-2022 | 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna

He was an ab initio cadet with 100 something hours when hired.

what does this sentence

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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna

He locked the Captain out of the cockpit and committed suicide by crashing into the Alps and killed all 144 aboard.

Have to do with this sentence?

There have been more than 1 suicide by pilot accident, and ab initio does not appear to be a common denominator. For example

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185

06-20-2022 | 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by OOfff

is this where we pretend that ALPA just waves a magic wand and suddenly pensions come back?

I'm convinced he's a troll and not a pilot at all. I haven't met ONE pilot in the past decade who wants the traditional pension back. We all know it is a fantasy. And if in some strange alternate universe it were to be "restored" it would merely be terminated in some future BK, but not until we had eviscerated our contract (again) in order to "save the pension."

"Fool me twice, shame on me" comes to mind.

06-20-2022 | 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

what does this sentence

Have to do with this sentence?

There have been more than 1 suicide by pilot accident, and ab initio does not appear to be a common denominator. For example

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185

they have to do with the original comment where someone said ab initio works for Lufthansa.

if that is your definition of "it works" then I bet there are 144 families who disagree.

06-20-2022 | 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna

Can't be discussed here? What are talking about? You brought it up.

He was an ab initio cadet with 100 something hours when hired. He locked the Captain out of the cockpit and committed suicide by crashing into the Alps and killed all 144 aboard.

Actually, I didn't. YOU brought up the Germanwings incident as an example of why ab initio was a bad idea. I suggested there was more to it and directed you towards sources more detailed and interesting reporting besides American media "NEWS ALERT!!!!! - Guy went nuts and suicided".

There's some touchy subjects involving sexual preferences, mental health, voluntary disclosure of medial records to aviation authorities, big pharma, recent rulings on pilots use of antidepressants, big pharma, medical diagnoses that have different long term prognosis based on gender, etc.

Have a nice day.

06-20-2022 | 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna

and the families of the 144 killed ....... how did it work for them?

You missed my point.

06-20-2022 | 09:43 AM

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Nope..... someone said ab initio works for Lufthansa and I simply mentioned the fact that one of their ab initio cadets hired at 100 hours was the pilot who crashed Germanwings 9525.

Then you went off on a tangent about sexual preferences.

There are no "touchy subjects" about it, the pilot crashed it on purpose.

06-20-2022 | 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

You missed my point.

The brand was tarnished.

https://twitter.com/lufthansa/status...719488?lang=en

https://www.dw.com/en/lufthansa-face...ash/a-53346800

Lufthansa ultimately "won" the lawsuit years later. They didn't have to pay extra compensation to the families. But when your brand is dragged through the press with lawsuits for 5 years that's a rather expensive "win".