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Originally Posted by Mytime2025 (Post 3443787)

the vast majority of pilots want the retirement age lifted to meet demand.

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Filler

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Originally Posted by myrkridia (Post 3443799)

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His imagination.

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Originally Posted by myrkridia (Post 3443799)

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the manifesto scribbled in his crashpad

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Originally Posted by Mytime2025 (Post 3443787)

But then again pilots are weak at basic math ( 63K 401K vs 130K lifetime pension what has more value ? ).

Since you say pilots are so bad at math, what has more value, $63k or $0k?

Because any pension will be gone after the next bankruptcy. No thanks, I’ll take my money now.

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Originally Posted by jaxsurf (Post 3443810)

Since you say pilots are so bad at math, what has more value, $63k or $0k?

Because any pension will be gone after the next bankruptcy. No thanks, I’ll take my money now.

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Formal standards for standardized "ab initio" pilot training programs, anyone?

Works for the military. Works for Lufthansa.

Airlines don't want to do it here, because they haven't had to, but also because they're at risk of the feds changing the rules/standards mid stream.

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Originally Posted by Mytime2025 (Post 3443780)

Probably the dumbest thing ALPA has done. UAL wants to expand and grow along with other airlines and ALPA is putting up a roadblock to mainly international expansion. Good thing these geniuses are not managing the airlines. But I digress irregardless of ALPA passing a worthless resolution the FAA / ICAO and Congess will increase the age because the traveling public will demand it. It's the only option that will fix the current mess overnight

There's no shortage of dudes willing to fly 787/777s for UA. The only roadblock is UAL's (and other airline's) training pipelines. Age 65->Age 67 won't really fix that.

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Originally Posted by Mytime2025 (Post 3443787)

Only way to allow the growth plan to be realized and shore up the pilot pipe line. The airlines are leaving massive amounts of revenue sitting at the gates trying to get to their destination. ALPA lead or get out of the way. It's not like those senior WB Captains won't continue to pay dues. More pilots = more dues. But then again pilots are weak at basic math ( 63K 401K vs 130K lifetime pension what has more value ? ). This is my point. ALPA can scream.all they want but the vast majority of pilots want the retirement age lifted to meet demand.

those senior WB captains will be restricted to domestic only. How many of them will want to go back to DEN-ORD-IAH-LAX-EWR-SFO-IAD and nowhere else? ICAO isn't going to just change their rules because Congress/FAA change ours.

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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3444046)

ab initio is a massive threat to collective bargaining here in the US, and ALPA is way behind the ball on making sure that the company doesn't gain additional leverage over the pilots going through those schools.

Also ab initio pilots typically have less internal motivation/drive to become pilots... you'll get a lot more dudes and dudettes who aren't really passionate enough about flying to get it done themselves.

Let's not try to solve management's problems for them.

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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3444046)

Formal standards for standardized "ab initio" pilot training programs, anyone?

Works for Lufthansa.

you sure it worked for Lufthansa?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 3444060)

you sure it worked for Lufthansa?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

There's a lot more to that onion than the American press presents that can't be discussed here...or the American press, for that matter. The English version of Der Spiegel had some great articles a couple of months after the fact.

Germany is not alone in having tragic incidents like this either. (FedEx 705, anyone? Stanford alum AND US Navy trained/psych eval-ed)

Pretty sure that the ab initio training and flight skills weren't the problem.

(Not advocating ab initio....it is a threat to collective bargaining. Fortunately, US airlines aren't about to put down a penny more for training costs than absolutely necessary before the robots take over. Just throwing it out there.)

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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3444072)

There's a lot more to that onion than the American press presents that can't be discussed here...or the American press, for that matter.

Pretty sure that the ab initio training and flight skills weren't the problem.

Can't be discussed here? What are talking about? You brought it up.

He was an ab initio cadet with 100 something hours when hired. He locked the Captain out of the cockpit and committed suicide by crashing into the Alps and killed all 144 aboard.