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symbian simian 06-04-2022 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3434792)
No, I said that soft money due to work rule changes counts and it does. Would you rather get 300 an hour and net 300,000 or fly the same schedule getting 250 an hour but net 320,000? The answer is easy. As to the question about 600,000 lots of senior CA’s are making that and if you drop the number to 500,000 the number goes way up including narrow body captains. The original question was a comparison of widebody Captain pay.

You implied your contract is now so much better than a few decades ago that everyone makes about 50% to 100% more credit hours. That is BS

jaxsurf 06-04-2022 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3434792)
As to the question about 600,000 lots of senior CA’s are making that…

What is “lots”? A handful? Dozens? Hundreds?

What is “senior CA’s” in this context? Top 10% of WB CAs? Top 30% of WB CAs?

These seem like very small numbers to me, no matter which way I look at it. And for those small numbers of CAs, most will only be making that much for the verrrry tail end of their careers, which doesn’t exactly matter much in terms of retirement.

sailingfun 06-04-2022 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by jaxsurf (Post 3434812)
What is “lots”? A handful? Dozens? Hundreds?

What is “senior CA’s” in this context? Top 10% of WB CAs? Top 30% of WB CAs?

These seem like very small numbers to me, no matter which way I look at it. And for those small numbers of CAs, most will only be making that much for the verrrry tail end of their careers, which doesn’t exactly matter much in terms of retirement.

Again are we not comparing senior Captains to Senior Captains from different eras?

Profane Kahuna 06-04-2022 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3434792)
As to the question about 600,000 lots of senior CA’s are making that and if you drop the number to 500,000 the number goes way up including narrow body captains.

Ok....how many? I find it strange that you claim numbers in round dollar figures but fail to claim numbers in how many pilots are making that much.

Mytime2025 06-17-2022 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3426689)
It's been their policy for years. And good.

Now that's typical pilot thinking. "It's been a policy for years"never mind It's been a shifty policy for years. SHEEP

Mytime2025 06-17-2022 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3426622)
ALPA has officially adopted a resolution opposing any attempts to increase the retirement age for professional airline pilots.


SOURCE:
https://aerocrewnews.com/aviation-ne...irline-pilots/

Did they poll the pilots on this? NO of course not. Just make up BS to feed to the sheep.

Mytime2025 06-19-2022 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3426622)
ALPA has officially adopted a resolution opposing any attempts to increase the retirement age for professional airline pilots.


SOURCE:
https://aerocrewnews.com/aviation-ne...irline-pilots/

Probably the dumbest thing ALPA has done. UAL wants to expand and grow along with other airlines and ALPA is putting up a roadblock to mainly international expansion. Good thing these geniuses are not managing the airlines. But I digress irregardless of ALPA passing a worthless resolution the FAA / ICAO and Congess will increase the age because the traveling public will demand it. It's the only option that will fix the current mess overnight

Mytime2025 06-19-2022 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3426728)
yeah, the unions are the bad guys for not wanting to devalue the labor of their members :rolleyes:

ALPA has done plenty to de- value pilot labor. Lets Starr at not reinstating a pension plan. That one thing lone has taken millions out of pilots pockets. They won't even talk about it. I wonder often what side are these guys on?

Mytime2025 06-19-2022 07:41 AM

Increase retirement age to 68
 
Only way to allow the growth plan to be realized and shore up the pilot pipe line. The airlines are leaving massive amounts of revenue sitting at the gates trying to get to their destination. ALPA lead or get out of the way. It's not like those senior WB Captains won't continue to pay dues. More pilots = more dues. But then again pilots are weak at basic math ( 63K 401K vs 130K lifetime pension what has more value ? ). This is my point. ALPA can scream.all they want but the vast majority of pilots want the retirement age lifted to meet demand.

fcoolaiddrinker 06-19-2022 07:44 AM

A vote would be nice. Get a sense of the numbers. Go from there.


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