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symbian simian 06-03-2022 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3434329)
You are probably comparing straight hourly wages without any consideration toward soft money generated by all the work rule changes. A widebody CA in 1980 earning 120,000 a year would need to make 420,000 a year now. That’s easily done at Delta and I suspect American and United. In fact at Delta that’s probably well below the average Widebody CA pay. It’s not difficult to crack 600,000 and some pilots have exceeded 900,000 in a year. If you compare it to 2019 when the current round of contracts got put on ice by covid we were solidly ahead of inflation.

For real? ? ?

Gone Flying 06-03-2022 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3434329)
You are probably comparing straight hourly wages without any consideration toward soft money generated by all the work rule changes. A widebody CA in 1980 earning 120,000 a year would need to make 420,000 a year now. That’s easily done at Delta and I suspect American and United. In fact at Delta that’s probably well below the average Widebody CA pay. It’s not difficult to crack 600,000 and some pilots have exceeded 900,000 in a year. If you compare it to 2019 when the current round of contracts got put on ice by covid we were solidly ahead of inflation.

i know you are a WB CA at DL and would know more about it than me, but I was under the impression WB CAs pulling more than 450-500k/year was a fluke related to the decision regarding staffing the A350 in 2018 and early 2019, not something that regularly happens.

TANSTAAFL 06-04-2022 02:21 AM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3434492)
i know you are a WB CA at DL and would know more about it than me, but I was under the impression WB CAs pulling more than 450-500k/year was a fluke related to the decision regarding staffing the A350 in 2018 and early 2019, not something that regularly happens.

Look at hourly rates and an average line value = what the avg pilot makes on any aircraft. Taking advantage of schedule manipulation, additional flying and green slips should never be conflated with book rates

sailingfun 06-04-2022 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3434492)
i know you are a WB CA at DL and would know more about it than me, but I was under the impression WB CAs pulling more than 450-500k/year was a fluke related to the decision regarding staffing the A350 in 2018 and early 2019, not something that regularly happens.

I know lots of guys who broke 600K on the 330. Some quite junior. People forget all the times they get extra pay for reroute, DC excess, purchased trips, training, vacation, profit sharing and a overtime trip now and then. The pilots breaking 900k were because of the 350 issues.

Profane Kahuna 06-04-2022 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3434551)
I know lots of guys who broke 600K on the 330. Some quite junior. People forget all the times they get extra pay for reroute, DC excess, purchased trips, training, vacation, profit sharing and a overtime trip now and then. The pilots breaking 900k were because of the 350 issues.

Sounds dreamy, but how many of the 13,000ish pilots are in that situation?

Margaritaville 06-04-2022 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3434329)
You are probably comparing straight hourly wages without any consideration toward soft money generated by all the work rule changes. A widebody CA in 1980 earning 120,000 a year would need to make 420,000 a year now. That’s easily done at Delta and I suspect American and United. In fact at Delta that’s probably well below the average Widebody CA pay. It’s not difficult to crack 600,000 and some pilots have exceeded 900,000 in a year. If you compare it to 2019 when the current round of contracts got put on ice by covid we were solidly ahead of inflation.

BS flag raised.

Gspeed 06-04-2022 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3434261)
So you're saying the unions are impotent?

No union can fully negate the effects of 9/11, bankruptcies, and/or inept management (can you relate?).

rickair7777 06-04-2022 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3434653)
BS flag raised.

No, I know people doing it.

Gone Flying 06-04-2022 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3434551)
I know lots of guys who broke 600K on the 330. Some quite junior. People forget all the times they get extra pay for reroute, DC excess, purchased trips, training, vacation, profit sharing and a overtime trip now and then. The pilots breaking 900k were because of the 350 issues.

good points about using the contract and the soft money we can get. Yeah I figured the 900k was the 350 back in 2018/early 2019.

In early 2019 I met a 350 FO who told me he had cleared (either 550k or 600k I can’t remember right now, I think it was 600k, but not certain) in 2018, and the CA he just finished flying with was north of 1mil

Profane Kahuna 06-04-2022 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3434665)
No, I know people doing it.

same question........Sounds dreamy, but how many of the 13,000ish pilots are in that situation?


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