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JohnnyBekkestad 05-28-2022 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 3431284)
That is not even close to the truth. Mid 90s American Eagle (Envoy) had the highest mins at 1500/300. You could get a job at Comair/ASA and a host of others (PFT) with 1200/200. I believe Mesaba was the lowest non-PFT mins at 1000tt.

I remember all the flying magazines back in the 90s where advertising flight training 0-1500 hours at a fixed cost.

fcoolaiddrinker 05-28-2022 02:57 PM

I seem to recall mid 90’s it was still pretty rough if you weren’t willing to pay to train in mostly turboprops. Took some 135 experience and several thousand hrs. It started loosening up late 90’s when everyone started getting a bunch of rj’s.

Swedish Blender 05-28-2022 03:22 PM

If you were willing to pay, it wasn’t hard to get in. I can think of about 15 instructors I worked with that paid their money to Continental Express in 96 and were hired at mins.

Yes they were TPs, but that’s all there was except for Air Whisky or whoever flew the handful of BAE 146s for United.

fcoolaiddrinker 05-28-2022 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by Swedish Blender (Post 3431307)
If you were willing to pay, it wasn’t hard to get in. I can think of about 15 instructors I worked with that paid their money to Continental Express in 96 and were hired at mins.

Yes they were TPs, but that’s all there was except for Air Whisky or whoever flew the handful of BAE 146s for United.


Yeah I remember those days. Continental Express washed a bunch of those low time pay to train pilots out though. I skipped the pay to train and went 135 captain in various turboprops. The problem became you just didn’t build time like 121 and with everyone now having 121 jet had to go to xjt anyhow to get competitive.

fcoolaiddrinker 05-28-2022 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by Wingedbeast (Post 3431308)
Why not just get rid of the 1500 hour rule?


Bring all the rj’s under mainline contracts, pay close to jb 190 dl 220 rates and the captain a check airman with check airman override and I wouldn’t have a problem with that. That really should have happened years ago. That’s my opinion anyhow.

PineappleXpres 05-29-2022 12:45 AM


Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3431329)
Bring all the rj’s under mainline contracts, pay close to jb 190 dl 220 rates and the captain a check airman with check airman override and I wouldn’t have a problem with that. That really should have happened years ago. That’s my opinion anyhow.

If all regional flying was brought in-house. Assuming they could still staff, would Mesa through Skywest give up? What would they become if not fee for departure? Just curious about unintended consequences from such a hypothetical. Could they create wage pressure by going big flying wide body at narrow body rates.

Gspeed 05-29-2022 02:59 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3427282)
The fundamental problem is that the aviation market is overregulated. These problems are caused by government and will not be fixed until government gets out of the way.

Wow what a typical management stooge response.

Profane Kahuna 05-29-2022 03:00 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3426701)
So the unions don't want to allow an extension of retirement age, and they don't want to lower the artificially high entry barrier, so what solutions are they actually coming up with to help solve at least the current short term acute pilot shortage?

Who let the management troll in here?

Profane Kahuna 05-29-2022 03:05 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3426785)
Neither lowering the entry requirements or extending the retirement age at the current point in time will have any effect on wages.

It is extremely apparent you have no understanding of basic economics.

All the major airlines are in contract negotiations and due to the pilot shortage, pay will be going UP.

If you artificially stop retirements for 3 years and lower the requirements for entry thus increasing the pool of available new hires THE OBVIOUS EFFECT IS WAGES WILL STAGNATE OR GO LOWER.


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