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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
(Post 3428145)
It worked for decades just fine that way.
Tell that to the families of Colgan flight 3407. Things work until they don’t… |
Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
(Post 3431495)
Who let the management troll in here?
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
(Post 3431284)
That is not even close to the truth. Mid 90s American Eagle (Envoy) had the highest mins at 1500/300. You could get a job at Comair/ASA and a host of others (PFT) with 1200/200. I believe Mesaba was the lowest non-PFT mins at 1000tt.
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
(Post 3431475)
If all regional flying was brought in-house. Assuming they could still staff, would Mesa through Skywest give up? What would they become if not fee for departure? Just curious about unintended consequences from such a hypothetical. Could they create wage pressure by going big flying wide body at narrow body rates.
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Don’t raise the retirement age! Lower the hour requirement. I’ve had not issues with newbie pilots Speaking from experience as a TRI/TRE overseas on and off for 24 years. Pilots from foreign lands are issued frozen ATPL with some as low as 250 hours. The freeze is removed once 1,500 hours is reached and passing their LPC’s. Bottom line right seaters are captains in training. Their chance to learn and improve their craft is the guy/gal in the right seat. Can’t blame non instructing captains who are hired to be part of crew equipped with a ready to go out of the box.
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Originally Posted by captjns
(Post 3431658)
Don’t raise the retirement age! Lower the hour requirement. I’ve had not issues with newbie pilots Speaking from experience as a TRI/TRE overseas on and off for 24 years. Pilots from foreign lands are issued frozen ATPL with some as low as 250 hours. The freeze is removed once 1,500 hours is reached and passing their LPC’s. Bottom line right seaters are captains in training. Their chance to learn and improve their craft is the guy/gal in the right seat. Can’t blame non instructing captains who are hired to be part of crew equipped with a ready to go out of the box.
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 3431639)
that is after managements started using employee concessions to increase profitability. As they began stripping away pay and work rules, they were forced to hire continually decreasing total time applicants. When the job was worth having, it was always a much higher time and certificate than just a commercial with 250 TT, and more often than not was well above ATP mins.
It was not the 4500 hours you toted and there weren't concession prior to 9-11. It dipped to 250, but never as high as you stated. Not even close. For a person who wasn't in the regionals during the 90s, you seem to speak as if it were gospel. You are flat out wrong. |
UAL mainline was hiring dudes and dudettes in the late 80s with less than 1000hrs TT. Same in the late 60s.
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
(Post 3427104)
You run a flight school and a crappy 135. You're management. This is your problem to solve. Not labor. Bye now.
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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
(Post 3431498)
THE OBVIOUS EFFECT IS WAGES WILL STAGNATE OR GO LOWER.
Originally Posted by flyguy23
(Post 3431502)
Tell that to the families of Colgan flight 3407. Things work until they don’t…
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