Let Experienced Pilots Fly Act (Age 67)
02-20-2024 | 05:53 AM
#3531
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I agree, let’s wind it back to 60 and watch the oldies squirm. Count me in Capt.
02-20-2024 | 07:13 AM
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And I’ll reiterate. To someone like you who was never furloughed, 200 sounds insignificant. To guys on the street hoping for some light at the end of a years long dark tunnel it’s huge. Very tone deaf comment.
02-20-2024 | 08:03 AM
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Yet I advocated paying every furloughed pilot 3000 dollars a month back then and got zero support from my fellow pilots. All we had to do to fund it was forego one 4% pay raise.
02-20-2024 | 09:00 AM
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Er, no. The Senate Commerce Committee shut down the Blackburn Amendment strictly along party lines for one reason and one reason only: the Democrat's alliance with unions (ALPA and AFL-CIO in this case.) There is no raging anti-67 sentiment in the general public (who don't know and, generally, don't care) or the Senate. With Manchin and Kelly being co-sponsors of the original stand-alone legislation, if you polled the Senate as a whole it would probably break by one or two in favor of 67. It was hardly a "Congressional win", as you put it - maybe a Senate Committee "win". But, at the moment, it's a Congressional tie with floor amendments (high bar) and Conference Committee still very much in play.
02-20-2024 | 09:35 AM
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Er, no. The Senate Commerce Committee shut down the Blackburn Amendment strictly along party lines for one reason and one reason only: the Democrat's alliance with unions (ALPA and AFL-CIO in this case.) There is no raging anti-67 sentiment in the general public (who don't know and, generally, don't care) or the Senate. With Manchin and Kelly being co-sponsors of the original stand-alone legislation, if you polled the Senate as a whole it would probably break by one or two in favor of 67. It was hardly a "Congressional win", as you put it - maybe a Senate Committee "win". But, at the moment, it's a Congressional tie with floor amendments (high bar) and Conference Committee still very much in play.
how much sleep do you lose over this ?
watch your health .....dont let age 67 ruling kill you
ICAO first FAA next that's the process if it ever happens
02-20-2024 | 09:44 AM
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None. But it's amazing how much misinformation/misunderstanding/willful ignorance there is about the legislative process. Case in point:
I posed the question to Chat GPT “What are the most common means of reconciling legislation in conference committee?”(italics mine):
In a conference committee, which is a temporary panel of members from both the House and Senate formed to resolve differences in legislation that has passed both chambers, the focus is more on trading legislation rather than outright removing it. The primary purpose of a conference committee is to reconcile the differences between the versions of a bill that have been passed in each legislative chamber.
Here's why trading legislation is more common in a conference committee:
1. **Reconciling Differences**: The conference committee is tasked with reaching a compromise between the House and Senate versions of a bill. Members negotiate to address conflicting provisions, amendments, or language in order to craft a final version that can gain majority support in both chambers.
2. **Promoting Agreement**: Conference committees facilitate the exchange of ideas and proposals between the two chambers, allowing for give-and-take discussions to resolve disagreements. This process often involves trading certain provisions or concessions to achieve consensus and advance the legislation.
3. **Finalizing Legislation**: The goal of the conference committee is to produce a single unified bill that both the House and Senate can accept. This typically requires making adjustments, modifications, or compromises that involve trading elements of the legislation to secure the necessary votes for passage.
While it is possible for legislation to be removed in a conference committee if both chambers agree to eliminate certain provisions or sections, the primary function of the committee is to negotiate and trade components of the bill to address disagreements and finalize a version that can be approved by both the House and Senate.
I posed the question to Chat GPT “What are the most common means of reconciling legislation in conference committee?”(italics mine):
In a conference committee, which is a temporary panel of members from both the House and Senate formed to resolve differences in legislation that has passed both chambers, the focus is more on trading legislation rather than outright removing it. The primary purpose of a conference committee is to reconcile the differences between the versions of a bill that have been passed in each legislative chamber.
Here's why trading legislation is more common in a conference committee:
1. **Reconciling Differences**: The conference committee is tasked with reaching a compromise between the House and Senate versions of a bill. Members negotiate to address conflicting provisions, amendments, or language in order to craft a final version that can gain majority support in both chambers.
2. **Promoting Agreement**: Conference committees facilitate the exchange of ideas and proposals between the two chambers, allowing for give-and-take discussions to resolve disagreements. This process often involves trading certain provisions or concessions to achieve consensus and advance the legislation.
3. **Finalizing Legislation**: The goal of the conference committee is to produce a single unified bill that both the House and Senate can accept. This typically requires making adjustments, modifications, or compromises that involve trading elements of the legislation to secure the necessary votes for passage.
While it is possible for legislation to be removed in a conference committee if both chambers agree to eliminate certain provisions or sections, the primary function of the committee is to negotiate and trade components of the bill to address disagreements and finalize a version that can be approved by both the House and Senate.
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02-20-2024 | 11:08 AM
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None. But it's amazing how much misinformation/misunderstanding/willful ignorance there is about the legislative process. Case in point:
I posed the question to Chat GPT “What are the most common means of reconciling legislation in conference committee?”(italics mine):
In a conference committee, which is a temporary panel of members from both the House and Senate formed to resolve differences in legislation that has passed both chambers, the focus is more on trading legislation rather than outright removing it. The primary purpose of a conference committee is to reconcile the differences between the versions of a bill that have been passed in each legislative chamber.
Here's why trading legislation is more common in a conference committee:
1. **Reconciling Differences**: The conference committee is tasked with reaching a compromise between the House and Senate versions of a bill. Members negotiate to address conflicting provisions, amendments, or language in order to craft a final version that can gain majority support in both chambers.
2. **Promoting Agreement**: Conference committees facilitate the exchange of ideas and proposals between the two chambers, allowing for give-and-take discussions to resolve disagreements. This process often involves trading certain provisions or concessions to achieve consensus and advance the legislation.
3. **Finalizing Legislation**: The goal of the conference committee is to produce a single unified bill that both the House and Senate can accept. This typically requires making adjustments, modifications, or compromises that involve trading elements of the legislation to secure the necessary votes for passage.
While it is possible for legislation to be removed in a conference committee if both chambers agree to eliminate certain provisions or sections, the primary function of the committee is to negotiate and trade components of the bill to address disagreements and finalize a version that can be approved by both the House and Senate.
I posed the question to Chat GPT “What are the most common means of reconciling legislation in conference committee?”(italics mine):
In a conference committee, which is a temporary panel of members from both the House and Senate formed to resolve differences in legislation that has passed both chambers, the focus is more on trading legislation rather than outright removing it. The primary purpose of a conference committee is to reconcile the differences between the versions of a bill that have been passed in each legislative chamber.
Here's why trading legislation is more common in a conference committee:
1. **Reconciling Differences**: The conference committee is tasked with reaching a compromise between the House and Senate versions of a bill. Members negotiate to address conflicting provisions, amendments, or language in order to craft a final version that can gain majority support in both chambers.
2. **Promoting Agreement**: Conference committees facilitate the exchange of ideas and proposals between the two chambers, allowing for give-and-take discussions to resolve disagreements. This process often involves trading certain provisions or concessions to achieve consensus and advance the legislation.
3. **Finalizing Legislation**: The goal of the conference committee is to produce a single unified bill that both the House and Senate can accept. This typically requires making adjustments, modifications, or compromises that involve trading elements of the legislation to secure the necessary votes for passage.
While it is possible for legislation to be removed in a conference committee if both chambers agree to eliminate certain provisions or sections, the primary function of the committee is to negotiate and trade components of the bill to address disagreements and finalize a version that can be approved by both the House and Senate.
Well once chat GP has spoken the issue is resolved then. I think all of the pro 67 people should start donating 100% of their monthly paychecks to the politicians. Dig into your 401K and borrow against your B fund. The more you give the better chance you have of winning. Don’t wait do it today.
At least you will have a new boogeyman in your life other than ALPA when this doesn’t go your way.
02-20-2024 | 11:29 AM
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Chat GPT said in a verbose manner what I've already said: It's easier to add pork , in either direction, than to remove it from somebody else's bill.
Dems may not actually be hard-over to kill 67, they be may ok with getting something else in exchange for keeping it. They did all the rah rah labor public optics and got the points for that, old college try. Mission accomplished, now they have some free negotiating capital that...
1) Doesn't impact the federal budget (actual positive impact on social security and tax base, but quantitatively that's utterly negligible in the grand scheme),
2) Is not a political hot button,
3) The general public hasn't the slightest clue or care about.
Remember what happens now is all behind closed doors, they already put on the show for benefit of the special interest (us).
At least that's how it looks if you're cynical...
Still depends very much on personalities in conference. And with narrow margins of control in both houses there's significant unpredictability.
Dems may not actually be hard-over to kill 67, they be may ok with getting something else in exchange for keeping it. They did all the rah rah labor public optics and got the points for that, old college try. Mission accomplished, now they have some free negotiating capital that...
1) Doesn't impact the federal budget (actual positive impact on social security and tax base, but quantitatively that's utterly negligible in the grand scheme),
2) Is not a political hot button,
3) The general public hasn't the slightest clue or care about.
Remember what happens now is all behind closed doors, they already put on the show for benefit of the special interest (us).
At least that's how it looks if you're cynical...
Still depends very much on personalities in conference. And with narrow margins of control in both houses there's significant unpredictability.
02-20-2024 | 04:25 PM
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Chat GPT said in a verbose manner what I've already said: It's easier to add pork , in either direction, than to remove it from somebody else's bill.
Dems may not actually be hard-over to kill 67, they be may ok with getting something else in exchange for keeping it. They did all the rah rah labor public optics and got the points for that, old college try. Mission accomplished, now they have some free negotiating capital that...
1) Doesn't impact the federal budget (actual positive impact on social security and tax base, but quantitatively that's utterly negligible in the grand scheme),
2) Is not a political hot button,
3) The general public hasn't the slightest clue or care about.
Remember what happens now is all behind closed doors, they already put on the show for benefit of the special interest (us).
At least that's how it looks if you're cynical...
Still depends very much on personalities in conference. And with narrow margins of control in both houses there's significant unpredictability.
Dems may not actually be hard-over to kill 67, they be may ok with getting something else in exchange for keeping it. They did all the rah rah labor public optics and got the points for that, old college try. Mission accomplished, now they have some free negotiating capital that...
1) Doesn't impact the federal budget (actual positive impact on social security and tax base, but quantitatively that's utterly negligible in the grand scheme),
2) Is not a political hot button,
3) The general public hasn't the slightest clue or care about.
Remember what happens now is all behind closed doors, they already put on the show for benefit of the special interest (us).
At least that's how it looks if you're cynical...
Still depends very much on personalities in conference. And with narrow margins of control in both houses there's significant unpredictability.
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