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Old 02-21-2024 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
What else exactly are they apart on?.... So what do the democrats want that they’ll force the industry to swallow the 67 horse pill?
DCA slots.
Old 02-21-2024 | 10:43 PM
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DCA slots.
Republicans will give that up and that’s all they’re getting. Sad and weird.
Old 02-22-2024 | 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 13n144e
DCA slots.
If the majority in both parties want DCA slots now, theres nothing to trade.
Old 02-22-2024 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 500RVR
What makes you so sure that any of these Senators, Cruz, Blackburn, Graham, Kelly, Manchin or others won’t play true leveraged bargaining (nothing ALPO actually knows about in regard to pilot contracts) during Conference.
When during the Senate Commerce Committee vote Blackburn relayed her conversation with a airline CEO (Kirby) who said that "now is not the right time". She tipped off that the airlines are against it until and unless ICAO raises the retirement age which would alleviate the operational mess of 65+ pilots being unable to fly internationally not to mention the elevated disability issue. So, the airlines, the unions and the regulators are against it. Hmmm.
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Originally Posted by jerryleber
When during the Senate Commerce Committee vote Blackburn relayed her conversation with a airline CEO (Kirby) who said that "now is not the right time". She tipped off that the airlines are against it until and unless ICAO raises the retirement age which would alleviate the operational mess of 65+ pilots being unable to fly internationally not to mention the elevated disability issue. So, the airlines, the unions and the regulators are against it. Hmmm.
This point is huge, and has been largely ignored by the pro-67 group. The airlines with money and clout don't want 67 now. Its one thing to bring a bunch of pilots about to be "fired" out for a photo stunt and to have an excuse to yell about the evils of unions, Its another thing to support a small group with no real money over some of the largest employers in the country. I'm sure Nehls is still fiercely advocating behind closed doors, but I would wager that Cruz and Blackburn stopped caring once the cameras were off.
Old 02-22-2024 | 05:37 AM
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Who's to say the Republicans (other than Nehls) will have any motivation to fight for 67 behind closed doors? What do they have to gain from it. I have a hard time believing Cruz would fight to keep 67 over his personal TSA protection amendment as well.

Out of curiosity, what are we thinking odds of 67 passing at this point?
Old 02-22-2024 | 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
This point is huge, and has been largely ignored by the pro-67 group. The airlines with money and clout don't want 67 now. Its one thing to bring a bunch of pilots about to be "fired" out for a photo stunt and to have an excuse to yell about the evils of unions, Its another thing to support a small group with no real money over some of the largest employers in the country. I'm sure Nehls is still fiercely advocating behind closed doors, but I would wager that Cruz and Blackburn stopped caring once the cameras were off.
Nehls isn't even on the House Aviation subcommittee so it's unlikely he's got any involvement with the Conference Committee. The Aviation subcommittee falls under the Transportation and Infrastructure committee.
Nehls' positions on the Transportation and Infrastructure e committee are: Chairman, Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines and Hazardous Materials and is a member of the Subcommittee on Highways and Transit.

One other point about your post - you think that Cruz and Blackburn probably stopped caring once the cameras were off. Do you think that Ds care about this once the cameras were off?

Age 67 is currently strictly on party lines - D vs R. How soft the support on either side is unknown.

I think that this slightly favors staying at 65 but I wouldn't be surprised if it goes to 67. And whatever emerges from Conference Committee is likely what will happen. So the question is, 'who is on the Conference Committee'? I've looked around a bit and can't find the answer to that question.
Old 02-22-2024 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CFITlikely
I have a hard time believing Cruz would fight to keep 67 over his personal TSA protection amendment as well.
I've read that Cruz's amendment has bipartisan support.
Old 02-22-2024 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
I've read that Cruz's amendment has bipartisan support.
Shows what I know haha
Old 02-22-2024 | 06:00 AM
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Its been awhile since I’ve watch school house rock, but doesn’t the senate need to actually vote on and pass the bill prior to the conference committee?

My understanding of the order of the upcoming events:
the senate to hold a vote

The conference committee to align the language in the bills to it’s final wording

Both cambers vote again

The Biden sign the bill.



Asking those more familiar if that order correct?
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