Let Experienced Pilots Fly Act (Age 67)
02-18-2024, 07:39 PM
#3501
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Originally Posted by StinkyPete
But that's hindsight right? How many depended on this idea of a union doing right by everyone before getting hired into 121?
And I still believe it is incumbent on me before going down this career path to do my own 91.103 (for the job) lest I get led astray. Happened to the PATCO guys who went on strike, right? Any examples since, where the unions pushed something that wasn't good for the members? (lol I can hear Reagen saying, "trust (the unions), but verify...")
I get what you're saying... but I still believe in due diligence.
And I still believe it is incumbent on me before going down this career path to do my own 91.103 (for the job) lest I get led astray. Happened to the PATCO guys who went on strike, right? Any examples since, where the unions pushed something that wasn't good for the members? (lol I can hear Reagen saying, "trust (the unions), but verify...")
I get what you're saying... but I still believe in due diligence.
02-18-2024, 07:41 PM
#3502
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Originally Posted by jerryleber
Are you considering applying to union or non-union Part 121 airlines?
So honestly, I don't know. I do need spend more time understanding what it means to be a union member at an airline.
But currently, I see no problem.
02-18-2024, 08:15 PM
#3503
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Originally Posted by StinkyPete
Nothing I know about how airline unions (or unions in general) operate (admittedly, I feel very little) would be in conflict with my personal beliefs.
02-19-2024, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Clearedtocross
Asking for 67 is greedy. Asking for retirement at 65 is NOT asking for anything more. How do you call someone greedy when they aren't asking for anything? The only way for the rest of us to reach the greed level of the age 67 proponents would be if we were asking for 63.
i lived thru the 60-65 age change. It was an unmitigated disaster that we now call "The Lost Decade".
i lived thru the 60-65 age change. It was an unmitigated disaster that we now call "The Lost Decade".
02-19-2024, 05:04 AM
#3506
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Can you tell us the main factors in the lost decade?
02-19-2024, 06:41 AM
#3508
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Originally Posted by Clearedtocross
We all know where 1/2 of the lost decade came from. So too would be the likelihood of pairing a 2 year increase with an eventual economic downturn. Supply has already caught up with demand and we are seeing hiring halted, curtailed, and even pilot reduction measures at some of the airlines.
02-19-2024, 06:50 AM
#3509
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
At Delta age 65 resulted in a 2 year and 4 month impact. It was never 5 years as 50% of the pilots historically didn't even make it to 60.
02-19-2024, 06:55 AM
#3510
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
135, netjets, cfi work. There’s your out.
How long has it been since you've worked as a CFI? It's busy, uncomfortable, and frankly dangerous. I have fon memories of those days, drinking with the crew, borrowing a company plane for a week-end getaway with the GF, but not so much the pattern work, stalls, spins, and Vmc demos. I was happy to move on to the airlines, and I wouldn't look forward to going back to that.
I would happily do ground school or sim, assuminmg a short commute from the Casa.
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