Leave AA for United
01-17-2023, 09:22 AM
#91
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
Are you the arbiter of what constitutes military leave “abuse?” How about we let the fighting men and women of this country use the laws that they’re governed by to work for their families?
01-17-2023, 10:05 AM
#92
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
Are you the arbiter of what constitutes military leave “abuse?” How about we let the fighting men and women of this country use the laws that they’re governed by to work for their families?
military leave. Social issues. Virology. Shoes. Profiles. Potpourri. Racism. Sexism. All the ism.
01-17-2023, 11:29 AM
#93
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Originally Posted by saltbae
AA reserve call out is to get there at a reasonable time vs a 2 or 2.5 hour call out. No global reserve either.
what is “reasonable time?” Is it reasonable to live 3-4 hours away? How about living one flight away from base? I have never had this concept of reasonable time introduced to me so idk what it really means! Thanks.
01-18-2023, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Bbaum
what is “reasonable time?” Is it reasonable to live 3-4 hours away? How about living one flight away from base? I have never had this concept of reasonable time introduced to me so idk what it really means! Thanks.
No WB at AA, go to UAL
01-19-2023, 08:11 AM
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Unless you live in the heart of DFW or CLT and you are tied down to these cities, I cannot understand why anyone would choose AA over United (or Delta). They are behind in nearly every category I can think of. I don't commute, but I hear AA's rules are better than United's, but that's only what I hear.
Other than that, can anyone point any advantages AA has? When it comes to compensation, retirement, LTD and work rules, United and Delta exceed them easily.
Other than that, can anyone point any advantages AA has? When it comes to compensation, retirement, LTD and work rules, United and Delta exceed them easily.
01-19-2023, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PipeMan
Unless you live in the heart of DFW or CLT and you are tied down to these cities, I cannot understand why anyone would choose AA over United (or Delta). They are behind in nearly every category I can think of. I don't commute, but I hear AA's rules are better than United's, but that's only what I hear.
Other than that, can anyone point any advantages AA has? When it comes to compensation, retirement, LTD and work rules, United and Delta exceed them easily.
Other than that, can anyone point any advantages AA has? When it comes to compensation, retirement, LTD and work rules, United and Delta exceed them easily.
United has no min day guarantee, no junior man pay, no guaranteed holiday pay. United has the worst work rules, they still have airport reserve and global reserve and you get flown into your off days constantly if you’re on a WB with no premium pay for it on reserve. They still have a bankruptcy contract in place.. not friendly to the employees
Delta has the best contract, and now it’s going to be even better. Just have to commute to their bases or be junior forever cause ATL is the only desirable base for the east coast people.
01-19-2023, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by saltbae
Does United have a Direct Contribution for their 401K? I see 16% B fund for their 401K
AA is 16% and Delta is 16% currently, and going to 18% with their new Contract
AA is 16% and Delta is 16% currently, and going to 18% with their new Contract
01-19-2023, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by saltbae
Living in base. AA has the best bases by far. Delta has the worst, by far. AA has the most retirements by far compared to any airline, so seniority means QOL. Min day is 5.75 hours at AA. Holiday pay is 200% and is on day surrounding the holidays too, not just the holiday.
United has no min day guarantee, no junior man pay, no guaranteed holiday pay. United has the worst work rules, they still have airport reserve and global reserve and you get flown into your off days constantly if you’re on a WB with no premium pay for it on reserve. They still have a bankruptcy contract in place.. not friendly to the employees
Delta has the best contract, and now it’s going to be even better. Just have to commute to their bases or be junior forever cause ATL is the only desirable base for the east coast people.
United has no min day guarantee, no junior man pay, no guaranteed holiday pay. United has the worst work rules, they still have airport reserve and global reserve and you get flown into your off days constantly if you’re on a WB with no premium pay for it on reserve. They still have a bankruptcy contract in place.. not friendly to the employees
Delta has the best contract, and now it’s going to be even better. Just have to commute to their bases or be junior forever cause ATL is the only desirable base for the east coast people.
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01-19-2023, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
In general, United has better work rules than both Delta and AA for lineholders, but our rules are worse than both for reserves. Our min per day is 5:00, but that is rather meaningless without comparing the RIG. Junior man pay? We don’t use it, because it’s not a thing at UAL, unless I’m misunderstanding what you mean by junior man pay.
For example, at PSA, you get 175% of min day (4 hours) for being junior manned. That’s on top of your guarantee or your line value.
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