Leave AA for United
01-31-2023, 05:07 AM
#111
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 235
Originally Posted by El Peso
Ok sure. What’s the holiday pay at UAL? It’s 200% at AA. What’s the ACD at UAL, 5:00? It’s 5:15 at AA. And don’t you guys use reserves to seat fill in the sim? That’s a non starter around here.
And I’m sure there’s things that are better at UAL, like profit sharing etc, but the point is that this idea that you have some superior contract over there is delusional. Sounds like you have much better trip ownership, but as your compadre explained above, it comes at a very hefty cost. Field Standby. No thanks. All one has to do is look at your vacancies that are constantly going unfilled these days. That tells me all I need to know about what’s it’s like to be junior in your seat at UAL. I can just about guarantee the you won’t see wide body jobs or Captain jobs go unfilled at AA, because it doesn’t suck to be junior.
And I’m sure there’s things that are better at UAL, like profit sharing etc, but the point is that this idea that you have some superior contract over there is delusional. Sounds like you have much better trip ownership, but as your compadre explained above, it comes at a very hefty cost. Field Standby. No thanks. All one has to do is look at your vacancies that are constantly going unfilled these days. That tells me all I need to know about what’s it’s like to be junior in your seat at UAL. I can just about guarantee the you won’t see wide body jobs or Captain jobs go unfilled at AA, because it doesn’t suck to be junior.
Junior widebody positions go unfilled because as a new hire you would have a better schedule on the narrowbody with quicker advancement. For a new hire on the 787 it is unlikely that they will be off reserve by the time their seat lock is over; the 777 might go a little quicker. Narrowbody captains go unfilled because of how good of a job being a lineholder on the widebody is. I would argue that even if we had the best reserve system in the industry, you’d still see unfilled narrowbody captains. We have a bunch of pilots that are content with their 18-22 days off on the widebody and would never dream of doing domestic flying with more responsibility and work for almost the same pay.
We have a couple backstops in the UPA too that contribute to unfilled captains, a flight time requirement for new hires and a requirement to be off probation. IF the company wants to fix the unfilled captain issue (and right now they don’t seem to be concerned about it), improving the QOL of narrowbody pilots relative to widebody schedules needs to be on the table.
01-31-2023, 05:50 AM
#112
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Joined APC: Jan 2020
Posts: 378
Originally Posted by El Peso
Ok sure. What’s the holiday pay at UAL? It’s 200% at AA. What’s the ACD at UAL, 5:00? It’s 5:15 at AA. And don’t you guys use reserves to seat fill in the sim? That’s a non starter around here.
And I’m sure there’s things that are better at UAL, like profit sharing etc, but the point is that this idea that you have some superior contract over there is delusional. Sounds like you have much better trip ownership, but as your compadre explained above, it comes at a very hefty cost. Field Standby. No thanks. All one has to do is look at your vacancies that are constantly going unfilled these days. That tells me all I need to know about what’s it’s like to be junior in your seat at UAL. I can just about guarantee the you won’t see wide body jobs or Captain jobs go unfilled at AA, because it doesn’t suck to be junior.
And I’m sure there’s things that are better at UAL, like profit sharing etc, but the point is that this idea that you have some superior contract over there is delusional. Sounds like you have much better trip ownership, but as your compadre explained above, it comes at a very hefty cost. Field Standby. No thanks. All one has to do is look at your vacancies that are constantly going unfilled these days. That tells me all I need to know about what’s it’s like to be junior in your seat at UAL. I can just about guarantee the you won’t see wide body jobs or Captain jobs go unfilled at AA, because it doesn’t suck to be junior.
01-31-2023, 06:18 AM
#114
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,318
Originally Posted by Armyguy
Hey Chip, enjoy retirement and stop being a AA cheerleader, your facts are all screwy
01-31-2023, 06:59 AM
#115
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 2,365
Originally Posted by El Peso
Ok sure. What’s the holiday pay at UAL? It’s 200% at AA. What’s the ACD at UAL, 5:00? It’s 5:15 at AA. And don’t you guys use reserves to seat fill in the sim? That’s a non starter around here.
And I’m sure there’s things that are better at UAL, like profit sharing etc, but the point is that this idea that you have some superior contract over there is delusional. Sounds like you have much better trip ownership, but as your compadre explained above, it comes at a very hefty cost. Field Standby. No thanks. All one has to do is look at your vacancies that are constantly going unfilled these days. That tells me all I need to know about what’s it’s like to be junior in your seat at UAL. I can just about guarantee the you won’t see wide body jobs or Captain jobs go unfilled at AA, because it doesn’t suck to be junior.
And I’m sure there’s things that are better at UAL, like profit sharing etc, but the point is that this idea that you have some superior contract over there is delusional. Sounds like you have much better trip ownership, but as your compadre explained above, it comes at a very hefty cost. Field Standby. No thanks. All one has to do is look at your vacancies that are constantly going unfilled these days. That tells me all I need to know about what’s it’s like to be junior in your seat at UAL. I can just about guarantee the you won’t see wide body jobs or Captain jobs go unfilled at AA, because it doesn’t suck to be junior.
How does that min credit affect combined with RIG actually affect your pay? For example, at UAL, the only fleet @ EWR that averaged less than 5:15 on any trip type in Jan was the 756 5-day pairings which averaged 5:14. Every other fleet had higher min credit. The 320 even had 5:26 for it's 4 day pairings.
Yes, reserves at United can be used for the sim. I'd like to see the last time that this went to a non-volunteer DEN local, though, if not to a PI reserve. It's easy money for a lineholder in DEN to pickup. This isn't something being shoved down some FL commuter's throat. When I was on reserve years ago, as a commuter, I much preferred FSB over SC, which is a pretty common preference. At the airport for 4 hours vs being on the hook in a crash pad for 10. No thanks.
Our vacancies going unfilled has more to do with the change in relative seniority and downgrade of control vs the payoff. Maybe at AA vacation & specific days off isn't based on relative seniority, but at United it is.
01-31-2023, 07:49 AM
#116
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,318
Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
How does that min credit affect combined with RIG actually affect your pay? For example, at UAL, the only fleet @ EWR that averaged less than 5:15 on any trip type in Jan was the 756 5-day pairings which averaged 5:14. Every other fleet had higher min credit. The 320 even had 5:26 for it's 4 day pairings.
Yes, reserves at United can be used for the sim. I'd like to see the last time that this went to a non-volunteer DEN local, though, if not to a PI reserve. It's easy money for a lineholder in DEN to pickup. This isn't something being shoved down some FL commuter's throat. When I was on reserve years ago, as a commuter, I much preferred FSB over SC, which is a pretty common preference. At the airport for 4 hours vs being on the hook in a crash pad for 10. No thanks.
Our vacancies going unfilled has more to do with the change in relative seniority and downgrade of control vs the payoff. Maybe at AA vacation & specific days off isn't based on relative seniority, but at United it is.
Yes, reserves at United can be used for the sim. I'd like to see the last time that this went to a non-volunteer DEN local, though, if not to a PI reserve. It's easy money for a lineholder in DEN to pickup. This isn't something being shoved down some FL commuter's throat. When I was on reserve years ago, as a commuter, I much preferred FSB over SC, which is a pretty common preference. At the airport for 4 hours vs being on the hook in a crash pad for 10. No thanks.
Our vacancies going unfilled has more to do with the change in relative seniority and downgrade of control vs the payoff. Maybe at AA vacation & specific days off isn't based on relative seniority, but at United it is.
02-03-2023, 12:49 PM
#119
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Joined APC: Oct 2021
Posts: 37
Originally Posted by El Peso
One giant stand out is the reserve system. AA reserve is quite good. Sick if needed. No set call out time. Premium pays 1.5 over guarantee, even if flying over reserve days. Etc.
I have two words for you. Field Standby. How anyone in their right mind could argue that UAL work rules are superior to anyone when you have to sit reserve at the airport is beyond me. But this is APC after all.
I have two words for you. Field Standby. How anyone in their right mind could argue that UAL work rules are superior to anyone when you have to sit reserve at the airport is beyond me. But this is APC after all.
02-03-2023, 06:40 PM
#120
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 28
Originally Posted by Bell
Sick if needed is necessary in the AAL contract because the sick leave allowance is somewhat paltry. At Delta you just call in sick, get paid, and don’t worry about your balance.
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