sweptback

You are factually incorrect.

I can only speak to the domestic operation because that is all I fly. A UAL pilot that is reassigned to arrive later than his/her scheduled arrival time will receive 50% add pay on all the extra flying. If that flying takes the pilot into a new calendar day, the pilot gets an additional 50% add pay for any flying on the next calendar day. There are mechanisms to get the day off restored for lineholders, but there are contractural glitches that need to be fixed in a new agreement. Reserves always receive their day off back because they are at min days off, but do not have a choice of the day like lineholders do (it's their next reserve day which becomes an off day). Reserves also do not receive the 50% late pay but do receive the 50% day off pay.

There is no such thing as being junior manned at UAL. The crew desk cannot just call you and force you to come to work. If you are flying on an off day that means you had been reassigned or had a maintenance issue.

ThumbsUp

Junior manning isn’t a thing at United. Being reassigned into a day off is, though. Unless you are terming them the same. And yes, you do get paid for it, 50% add pay (so 150%) for all time after your original scheduled arrival time for reassignments. 150% for all flight/deadhead time on your day off and your day off either restored or an additional 5 hours of add pay. Some of that may be a little fuzzy—it’s been over a year since my last reassignment.

saltbae

What about if it’s a DH? You’re broken in BFE and they DH you home on your scheduled off day? Is it min day + the premium of 50% of all flying done?

ThumbsUp

Yes. It’s 50% of deadhead or operating. Plus either a restored day off or 5 hours add pay.

Beech Dude

Holiday pay is on days they declare holidays. Most have you sitting on the holiday they days are set for anyway which reduces your pay since the LoA was for hours flown to be 200%, not the day. Also, min day is not 5.75, it's 5.15. 5 hrs, 15 min.

saltbae

Thank you for clarifying a few things for me. Sounds like a few sour new hires not happy at UA make it sound way worse than it is.

El Peso

One giant stand out is the reserve system. AA reserve is quite good. Sick if needed. No set call out time. Premium pays 1.5 over guarantee, even if flying over reserve days. Etc.

I have two words for you. Field Standby. How anyone in their right mind could argue that UAL work rules are superior to anyone when you have to sit reserve at the airport is beyond me. But this is APC after all.

ThumbsUp

Probably because 80% of people aren’t on reserve, so they are comparing lineholder rules.

Flyingphi

UAL has field standby because it’s extremely difficult or near impossible to reassign line holders. Most other airlines can pull crews from other flights as needed. Ual does not have that option unless they go through several steps per our contract. I have been at UAL for 6 years and have never been reassigned unless my flight cancelled. And even then, there are major scheduling restrictions the company has to follow. I am not advocating for field standby, just letting you know why it’s in the contract. However, our reserve rules are probably some of the worst in the industry.

El Peso

Ok sure. What’s the holiday pay at UAL? It’s 200% at AA. What’s the ACD at UAL, 5:00? It’s 5:15 at AA. And don’t you guys use reserves to seat fill in the sim? That’s a non starter around here.

And I’m sure there’s things that are better at UAL, like profit sharing etc, but the point is that this idea that you have some superior contract over there is delusional. Sounds like you have much better trip ownership, but as your compadre explained above, it comes at a very hefty cost. Field Standby. No thanks. All one has to do is look at your vacancies that are constantly going unfilled these days. That tells me all I need to know about what’s it’s like to be junior in your seat at UAL. I can just about guarantee the you won’t see wide body jobs or Captain jobs go unfilled at AA, because it doesn’t suck to be junior.