SWA or DAL?
#21
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: 18%er but I’ll enforce UPA23 to the last period.
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I say interview. Options are always great. The bad thing is that you will never know you made the right decision until the end. The thing to remember about airlines is there are those that have been bankrupt and those that will. At one time or another every airline has been the darling of the industry and been the butt of it as well. SWA has not been through any really tough times yet and by no means do I wish any on them. Just remember that NO airline is immune to problems. Good luck.
#22
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: B-737 / FO
Posts: 246
I say interview. Options are always great. The bad thing is that you will never know you made the right decision until the end. The thing to remember about airlines is there are those that have been bankrupt and those that will. At one time or another every airline has been the darling of the industry and been the butt of it as well. SWA has not been through any really tough times yet and by no means do I wish any on them. Just remember that NO airline is immune to problems. Good luck.
#23
Which begs the question....WHY would anyone even wonder about this decision. Slamm dunk.....SWA.
Last edited by Metal121; 06-29-2007 at 06:53 AM.
#24
Tough room but all good points. No crystal ball so do what's best for you and your family. I had a chance to fly the 757 for TransMeridian. Would've been a great choice for me to fly the plane I always wanted to fly and I'd be able to commute on Tmid from my home city. Decided to stay at my regional to get more PIC time and in the meantime, Tmid closed its doors. I know SWA and DAL aren't going anywhere soon so ask yourself how both choices will affect your family. Good luck to you!
#25
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: luv seat
Posts: 16
This was an easy call 6 months ago (shoot, even two months ago)...it's a toss up now!!
SWA has a great track record, a phenomenal corporate culture and all analysts are still predicting profits around 450 million for this year and more next year. But, they have 200+ in the pool, and I heard (but not confirmed) they CNX the July class. Almost 1500 folks have been hired since 2004, and it now appears hiring will be cut in half. Anyone starting now is on the back end of the wave and will be looking at a longer upgrade.
Delta has certainly taken a beating the last few years, and while many there are optimistic, getting back a good chunk of the pay is not certain. They appear to have made dramatic cuts in cost outside of just labor, and pilots there tell me they are being used far more efficiently than in the past (Reserves are flying 75+ hours on almost all types). If hired now at Delta, you will be getting in on the front end of what Delta believes will be a prolonged hiring period. Ask any of the old timers if it is good to be in the first 200 hired after a 6 year pause.
Codfather...do not pass up the opportunity at Delta. I was in your exact same position 1 month ago. It took me 7 days to call back for the interview once I got the E-Mail. I thought for sure I would just use Delta as a back-up (was not sure I wanted to burn the bridge). After being fortunate enough to talk to the Delta folks and get hired, I have been doing my research. I am slowly moving more toward taking the Delta gig. I have been told by both SWA and Delta to expect an August class, so I have about one more month to watch things develop. Seeing things happen the way they are at SWA, I am very grateful to have another strong choice...Both are solid and you can't go wrong...Go to the interview!!
SWA has a great track record, a phenomenal corporate culture and all analysts are still predicting profits around 450 million for this year and more next year. But, they have 200+ in the pool, and I heard (but not confirmed) they CNX the July class. Almost 1500 folks have been hired since 2004, and it now appears hiring will be cut in half. Anyone starting now is on the back end of the wave and will be looking at a longer upgrade.
Delta has certainly taken a beating the last few years, and while many there are optimistic, getting back a good chunk of the pay is not certain. They appear to have made dramatic cuts in cost outside of just labor, and pilots there tell me they are being used far more efficiently than in the past (Reserves are flying 75+ hours on almost all types). If hired now at Delta, you will be getting in on the front end of what Delta believes will be a prolonged hiring period. Ask any of the old timers if it is good to be in the first 200 hired after a 6 year pause.
Codfather...do not pass up the opportunity at Delta. I was in your exact same position 1 month ago. It took me 7 days to call back for the interview once I got the E-Mail. I thought for sure I would just use Delta as a back-up (was not sure I wanted to burn the bridge). After being fortunate enough to talk to the Delta folks and get hired, I have been doing my research. I am slowly moving more toward taking the Delta gig. I have been told by both SWA and Delta to expect an August class, so I have about one more month to watch things develop. Seeing things happen the way they are at SWA, I am very grateful to have another strong choice...Both are solid and you can't go wrong...Go to the interview!!
What in the world are you smoking cus I wan't some. 30 plus years in the industry makeing money, no layoff's no furlough, company from the verry start had to fight to survive. we have not cxld any clases for july. It's funny how everybody thinks we have lost our advantage. what you forget to think about is that delta is buying new airplanes=more debt, amr, ual and cal are contract negotiations delta willdef. want a piece=more debt. fuel is going up=more debt. you wan't to go to delta be my guest have but don't say you haven't been warned.
#26
What an idiot. Having trouble seeing the forest for the trees? Its a requirement for the job. Lets see spend $5-7000 and receivee an extra $20-30,000 for first year pay. Hmmm that there is some of that Delta math you guys have trouble with (This remark was made in fun. It has no way been made to demean any one company). SWA isnt making money from the type rating. It gets OLD reading it over and over and over and over and over again. I was hired without the type. Went and got the type and am gainfully employeed.
Last edited by mulcher; 06-29-2007 at 10:26 AM.
#28
Well put
What an idiot. Having trouble seeing the forest for the trees? Its a requirement for the job. Lets see spend $5-7000 and receivee an extra $20-30,000 for first year pay. Hmmm that there is some of that Delta math you guys have trouble with (This remark was made in fun. It has no way been made to demean any one company). SWA isnt making money from the type rating. It gets OLD reading it over and over and over and over and over again. I was hired with out the type. Went and got the type and am gainfully employeed.
Funny how everyone thinks "ITS OVER" for SWA because they announced some changes to better match whats happening to the US economy and peoples affordability to fly. That folks, is what is called GOOD MANAGEMENT of a company. Actually looking out into the future. WOW....AMAZING CONCEPT.
SWA has been doing this stuff for 37 years. There are rough spots all over this industry and SWA is good at doing its best to counter act and ACT logically to whats happening.
Past performance is NEVER an indicator of future results...but SWA is like a freakin' cockroach after a nucler bomb detonation. It will do what it has to in order to survive. 37 years of profits proves that.
#29
What an idiot. Having trouble seeing the forest for the trees? Its a requirement for the job. Lets see spend $5-7000 and receivee an extra $20-30,000 for first year pay. Hmmm that there is some of that Delta math you guys have trouble with (This remark was made in fun. It has no way been made to demean any one company). SWA isnt making money from the type rating. It gets OLD reading it over and over and over and over and over again. I was hired with out the type. Went and got the type and am gainfully employeed.
I think the system works great.
#30
As far as July classes being canx: There were originally two classes scheduled for July but not confirmed. Only one of the two dates was confirmed.
There were NO pilots that were told they had a class and then didn't get the class.
There are currently three classes prog'ed for August, but NO CONFIRMED classes in August.
I have to laugh. SWA says growth will slow to 6% and some people think they must be on the verge of bankruptcy.
There were NO pilots that were told they had a class and then didn't get the class.
There are currently three classes prog'ed for August, but NO CONFIRMED classes in August.
I have to laugh. SWA says growth will slow to 6% and some people think they must be on the verge of bankruptcy.
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