Originally Posted by Earthboundmsfit

Geeze people I know it’s APC but the amount of defeatism is staggering.

Also…..why was NOTHING done in 2009-2010 when the dems had a supermajority in the senate and the presidency? What a wasted window.

I’m not a partisan guy but I’m SMH.

Additionally I’m still not buying that a bill to amend it wouldn’t be successful. I mean look at our neighbors to the north and how Westjet got a deal because they were about to strike less than a year after their contract was amendable.

Now THATs what you call results.

We aren’t talking France here where they strike every hour on the hour, we are talking Canada whose cultural is most similar to the US compared to any other nation.

Originally Posted by Earthboundmsfit

Geeze people I know it’s APC but the amount of defeatism is staggering.

Also…..why was NOTHING done in 2009-2010 when the dems had a supermajority in the senate and the presidency? What a wasted window.

Originally Posted by SteamedHams

Additionally I’m still not buying that a bill to amend it wouldn’t be successful. I mean look at our neighbors to the north and how Westjet got a deal because they were about to strike less than a year after their contract was amendable.

Now THATs what you call results.

We aren’t talking France here where they strike every hour on the hour, we are talking Canada who’s cultural is most similar to the US compared to any other nation.

Originally Posted by Earthboundmsfit

I'm so sick and tired of being hamstrung by the overbearing RLA, like I'm sure many others are.

It's long past time that we use our collective horsepower to get a bill through congress and signed by the president that amends the RLA significantly.

It's likely next to impossible to eliminate it, but realistic amendments could absolutely be made.

For example, automatic chronological benchmarks after a certain time period after the amendable date. For example, release to self help after 18 months if no deal is made.

If that's too much to ask, since the purpose is to keep commerce moving, then how about an automatic 10-15% payment penalty compounded per year past the amendable date when the companies drag on.

I'm not buying the excuse that we don't have enough political horsepower either. Pilots have more power now than they have had in decades with such a massive shortage.

Additionally, I remember someone saying a while back that ALPA is too afraid to go there for fear of coming out with something worse in the end if the winds shift.

I'm calling baloney on that. It's ALREADY aint labor as it is, it CAN'T get much worse than its current form.

Lastly, IF.......and that's a big IF......age 67 looked like it was about to be passed, wouldn't it be smart to attach these RLA amendments to an age 67 bill to help it get passed?

Frustrated AF. Sorry, but we just shouldn't be just along for the status quo and sit back and do nothing.

Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker

I know the process is frustrating but keep in mind status quo works both ways. Management can’t just start violating a contract come amenable date if there’s a down economy.
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

Worth repeating.

Originally Posted by highfarfast

I don’t know all the ins and outs but to me, we’re in the RLA because we’re in an industry that is critical to the economy such that it’s important to keep it going. We also got paid during COVID because we’re in an industry that is important to the economy such that the government didn’t want to fully shut us down. You give some. You take some.

I know I’m glad to have continued to get a pay check. A really good pay check at that.

ALSO, as others have pointed out, NO ONE is going to be sympathetic to the poor pilot making 6 figures. Did you know that only about 18% of American individuals make over $100k. Do you think the other 82% gives a rats ass about our plite when we make more than they do and get more days off per month (they’ll ignore the nights gone number, you have to know that).

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator

They’re not sympathetic to us but when airlines pull out of podunkville because there’s not enough pilots, or prices skyrocket because airlines can’t meet demand they’ll expect airlines to pay whatever it takes to crew the airplanes and provide reliable reasonable service.

btw, PPP wasn’t about keeping just airlines afloat, it was about keeping the economy going and helping people buy groceries and pay rent.