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From: Picking up the Forta Magnus clearance from Melnix.
#34
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I honestly don't get the consternation over wheter you can "nonrev to Europe" or "fish out of cell coverage" on a reserve day. Unless you get used, IT AIN'T WORK. And for me and my family, that's what matters.
Plus, for non-commuters, even being on SC is a non-event - though I don't object to SC being called 'work', regardless of used/not used. I bid almost exclusively reserve, and the number of times I've ever been called for a no-kidding minimum-time report is less than 1% of all the reserve assignments I've ever gotten (that goes for both LC and SC).

I honestly don't get the consternation over wheter you can "nonrev to Europe" or "fish out of cell coverage" on a reserve day. Unless you get used, IT AIN'T WORK. And for me and my family, that's what matters.
Plus, for non-commuters, even being on SC is a non-event - though I don't object to SC being called 'work', regardless of used/not used. I bid almost exclusively reserve, and the number of times I've ever been called for a no-kidding minimum-time report is less than 1% of all the reserve assignments I've ever gotten (that goes for both LC and SC).
All that to say, context matters. So count me in as someone who beleives that for the sake of better comparison, pilots should state reserve days not used out of the total awarded/picked up.
#35
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From: B737 FO
So it aint work...retrospetively. It matters to your family...after the fact. For me, that's hard to call it a day off. I can agree that it isn't work, but its harder to say it was a day off. But in the context of this thread, maybe it should be counted as a day off? Becuase getting that "day off" will depend on that airline's work rules. Meaning, airlines with better work rules (qol) will probably, on average, have more pilots no get used on reserve. And I see this thread as not only a pay comparison, but a qol comparison as well. This has become evident at FedEx where we have LC of 24 hours. But, first, that means you are number one to get put on hotel standby (yes, we have hotel standby in our contract). And second, lately they have been assigining trips (if not hotel standby) days if not weeks in advance (yes, our contract allows that for LC). That may or may not be good for the LC pilot but it certainly minimizes lineholder pilots from trading or picking up the trip.
All that to say, context matters. So count me in as someone who beleives that for the sake of better comparison, pilots should state reserve days not used out of the total awarded/picked up.
All that to say, context matters. So count me in as someone who beleives that for the sake of better comparison, pilots should state reserve days not used out of the total awarded/picked up.
I get it, it's nice sitting home with the family, mowing the grass, inviting the neighbors over for an impromptu dinner that afternoon, "Gosh Bob, it's almost like you never work!" etc.
But how many of you in the "unused reserve day = equals a day off" camp would be cool with the Co. saying, well since we didn't call you with a trip you didn't actually work yesterday so that day of reserve now counts as one of your 12 days off this month? I've heard of scummy Part 135 or 91 operators with scheduling practices like that but not even the worst regional tries to pull that.
Posting days off + unused LC/SC days as separate numbers is super useful. Anything else is misleading IMO.
#36
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Retroactive days off/rest is illegal in 121/117.
Regionals can't, it's illegal. Corporate bottom feeders, not subject to 117, may well try to count un-utilized on-call days as days off, retroactively. But that's mostly for contractual purposes... 135 is barely required to give you any days off to begin with and I don't think 91 requires any at all.
#37
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From: B737 FO
Retroactive days off/rest is illegal in 121/117.
Regionals can't, it's illegal. Corporate bottom feeders, not subject to 117, may well try to count un-utilized on-call days as days off, retroactively. But that's mostly for contractual purposes... 135 is barely required to give you any days off to begin with and I don't think 91 requires any at all.
And that's my point. We'd all be up in arms (and rightly so) if the Co tried to call them days off after the fact because it's wrong in principle and as you point out illegal. I was trying to use that scenario to illustrate why if we don't want the Co calling it a day off we shouldn't either.
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Maybe...🤔😂 The UPA reserve changes have also made it much better. Very easy to know when a SC is coming with ladders and headroom percentage shown on the grid. The add pay for SC pick ups also helps the cause as those who live close tend to pick them up, so not many to be assigned.
#39
100% this.
I get it, it's nice sitting home with the family, mowing the grass, inviting the neighbors over for an impromptu dinner that afternoon, "Gosh Bob, it's almost like you never work!" etc.
But how many of you in the "unused reserve day = equals a day off" camp would be cool with the Co. saying, well since we didn't call you with a trip you didn't actually work yesterday so that day of reserve now counts as one of your 12 days off this month? I've heard of scummy Part 135 or 91 operators with scheduling practices like that but not even the worst regional tries to pull that.
Posting days off + unused LC/SC days as separate numbers is super useful. Anything else is misleading IMO.
I get it, it's nice sitting home with the family, mowing the grass, inviting the neighbors over for an impromptu dinner that afternoon, "Gosh Bob, it's almost like you never work!" etc.
But how many of you in the "unused reserve day = equals a day off" camp would be cool with the Co. saying, well since we didn't call you with a trip you didn't actually work yesterday so that day of reserve now counts as one of your 12 days off this month? I've heard of scummy Part 135 or 91 operators with scheduling practices like that but not even the worst regional tries to pull that.
Posting days off + unused LC/SC days as separate numbers is super useful. Anything else is misleading IMO.
#40
I'm aware, my language was too loose talking about regionals and I should have said even at the worst regionals they can't do that to you.
And that's my point. We'd all be up in arms (and rightly so) if the Co tried to call them days off after the fact because it's wrong in principle and as you point out illegal. I was trying to use that scenario to illustrate why if we don't want the Co calling it a day off we shouldn't either.
And that's my point. We'd all be up in arms (and rightly so) if the Co tried to call them days off after the fact because it's wrong in principle and as you point out illegal. I was trying to use that scenario to illustrate why if we don't want the Co calling it a day off we shouldn't either.
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