Honestly should have been done a lot sooner. NACHO is finally doing what always had to be done.

Haha. I’m going to blockade you EVEN HARDER! Michael Scott is running this country

Yep. Two can play the mining game. Encircle Kharg and the other islands within Iran’s territorial waters with mines and just leave them there until someone rational gains control in Iran. If Iran sorties their little speedboats swat them with A-10s, attack helicopters, and drones.
Sort of like the island hopping campaign in the Pacific against the Bushido zealots in WW2. You can’t eat oil, and starving on an island is a $hitty way to martyr oneself.

Again... questioning or being against dumb decision making and not wanting to be dragged into endless war with no end in sight does not equal "rooting against" your own country.

Classic example of how two conflicting truths cannot be possible at the same time in some minds.

Won’t this exacerbate the reason we want the strait open to begin with?

There is no plan. The rest of the world needs ships to flow through the strait. Who can last longer? Us or the regime? All they have to do is survive. It’s easy to dismiss elevated gas prices and the associated cost increase of everything else when you’re an upper middle class major airline pilot. What about everyone else?

Sure buddy, that's it. You just care too much.

But, it's not though.
How's that happen without boots on the ground?
Did he?

"I condemn today’s military escalation in the Middle East. The use of force by the United States and Israel against Iran, and the subsequent retaliation by Iran across the region, undermine international peace and security."

"I am gravely alarmed by the use of force by the United States against Iran today." -UN Secretary-General António Guterres
Our country unilaterally taking military action against smaller countries doesn't greenlight and embolden Russia and China to do the same? Three of the five permanent UN Security Council members have essentially nodded to each other this sort of thing is fine.
Do you... do you retroactively support Vietnam?

And what Judge Smails said is correct. To suggest that criticizing a dumb war is unpatriotic is like saying you shouldn't speak up to the Captain when he's descending into terrain.

Remember how that island hopping campaign took almost 2.5 years and killed 10,000’s of Americans. But sure anowhow let’s compare this situation to peleliu…

And we ended up not having to invade the mainland after all...

I wonder what we did instead? Can someone remind me?

My understanding is that only certain ships were passing through. Ships that are headed for China or Russia (Chinese/Russian ships?) are passing through? Now, no ships are passing at all creating pressure on Iran to come back and renegotiate and get the SoH opened again. I believe that’s what’s happening here, but someone more knowledgable can chime in and correct me

Ships were passing through that were paying a ransom to Iran. We are putting a stop to that and clearing a path for all ships to pass. Should have been done sooner.

That was the joke.

I missed the joke..my bad

That was one poster….you still fail.

Can he NACHO the Epstein files please? Let me guess, that’s NACHO-exempt.

I wonder what we’re doing to clear the mines and intercept drones?

Creating a naval blockade is an act of war. Our blockade affects China, Korea, Japan, etc. We’re basically attacking China without congressional authorization, the orders given by one man overnight on a weekend.

As a thought experiment, imagine if Denmark were to blockade the North Sea or imagine China did a blockade of the Panama Canal? How would the US and the world react?

Yeah, I get it, Iran did it first, but that was after we bombed them, assassinated their leadership, bombed an elementary school, etc.

I thought we obliterated Iran’s nuclear program back in June? That’s what the administration told us. Why’d we have to bomb them for another five weeks this spring? Why did the peace talks breakdown over “nuclear” when the “nuclear" is obliterated?

Thanks trump for ruining my profit sharing check.

If there was anything substantive in there Biden's team would have released it quicker then you can say auto-pen. But there isn't. By the way I find it ironic that the same party who ignored the worst kept secret in Washington D.C., Eric Swalwell's sexual deviancy, did not say a word about it until they realized it may allow a Republican to win the California Governorship. Now they care? lol, spare me the fake outrage.

P.S. it is disgusting how they are trying to drag Melania through the mud with false allegations.

Send them all to jail. The fact that you ONLY care because it's the opposite political affiliation says everything I need to know

That is a very simplistic view. Clearing mines to foster safe passage through the broader strait while not allowing tolls to go to Iran, seems like a sensical move.

Let’s say it before a certain canine has to, no gratuitous partisan puke..pls

From AI..."Iran claimed to have enough enriched uranium to build 11 nuclear bombs, as stated by a U.S. envoy in March 2026. They reportedly control 460 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium, which can be further enriched to weapons-grade material."

and.... "In an interview with "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan," Rafael Grossi, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said there had already been damage done to Iran's nuclear sites, and said last year's strikes on three nuclear facilities were "quite effective."

"There has been a lot of impact on the program. One cannot deny that this has really rolled back the program considerably, although, you know, I'm very skeptical about these metrics, days, minutes, months, because everything is relative," Grossi said".

Sounds like you want a 100% iron clad answer to something that most people would deem to have some margin of error because gaining cold hard facts is unachievable. Maybe if Iran would stop threating and boasting about how much HEU they have, things might be different. How long does it take to go from HEU to weapons grade?(I'll let you GoogleFu that). Can HEU be used for dirty bombs? I would hate for one of those to go off in NYC subway system even though it's only HEU at 60%.

BTW , What was the stated range of Iran missiles and what did they just demonstrate the range was on Diego Garcia. I can see how some (not an insignificant few) might want to error on the side of prudence when a country states "Death to America" , "Wipe Israel off the face of the earth", and has demonstrated a capability and quest to do so.

Ukraine has taken out numerous Russian military ships with naval drones, which are basically a Walmart kayak loaded explosives and powered by a jet ski motor. It is probably not beyond Iran’s capabilities to do the same to US warships. They certainly could sink a tanker with a sea drone. Will US sailors post videos of their multibillion dollar minesweeper sinking on TikTok? Will shipping companies risk their crews and cargo without US boots on the ground in Iran?

You are right. Much simpler to just add our mines to theirs and shut down the whole strait. When they decide they really want to sell oil again, we’ll remove ours after they remove theirs.

It then becomes a question of who can last longer: a regime that has survived 10 years of trench warfare and thirty years of economic sanctions with a secret police force that hangs 400 citizens a month or a failed US president with 70% disapproval rating facing midterm elections with oil at $300/barrel and an economy in severe recession.

There are far better/nastier elements and isotopes to use fir a dirty bomb vs U-235/233 or Pu239

So because there is something more lethal, we shouldn't be concerned about what they do have?

if we can’t outlast Iran (and China), we deserve to fail . But I’m betting we can.

America has been at war with itself for the last two decades. We’re less of a society and more a collection of independent contractors trying to make enough money to outrun all the problems that the boomers did nothing to try to solve and which we continue to not try to solve.

If you’re asking Americans to get together and face 5-6+ gallon gas with a brave face for the “greater good” it ain’t gonna happen.

then…we lose?

America hasn’t won a war since WW2

Korea: ceded half of the country
Vietnam: lost completely
Iraq: broke the country and created ISIS
Afghanistan: lost to the Taliban

What in the world is “winning” going to look like and how are they going to achieve it? They’re completely winging it from one day to the next.

You know what would be hard obstacles?

Epstein files (actually not, just release them).



Daycare - have you seen birth rates? Record low. Going even below replacement minimums. So either you allow more immigration and/or make it easier for new parents to work and have more kids.

Instead, we get “we can’t do daycare. We can’t. We need even more money to defend America.”

Healthcare - Trump’s always got a plan. Never shared nor executed.


SS / Medicare - crickets




Hard obstacles, what a joke. Bombing brown people is easy. It’s mostly pushing buttons. And as this Iran incursion shows, you don’t even need a plan for that. Or an exit strategy. But Trump had a great exit plan for Vietnam for himself.

Oh that’s coming whether they like it or not.


The only question is if the cult will finally break free and realize who caused their problems and be honest about it.

Korea and Vietnam were in response to unchecked Communist imperialism and it needed to be stopped. Once the USRR realized that the U.S. would resist every attempt they chilled out on it a little bit.

Iraq and Afghanistan would have never happened without 9/11. 9/11 occurred directly as a result of 8 years of horrible and weak foreign policy under Clinton. OBL should have been taken out in the mid-90s.

Previous POTUS made a statement saying would should all have to endure higher gas prices all for the "greater good" of helping Ukraine.

Apparently getting licensed to open hospice care and medical equipment businesses is fairly straightforward and theres lots of funding!

Just don’t lose, period. Worry about how to spin the cost later.

Fighting without fear of losing isn’t fighting. But while on the topic, ufc crap, sad substitute for the sweet science imho. Wild world
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The following is from the book "Evil in Modern Thought" by Susan Neiman. (page228)

"For nothing works so well in getting someone to give up a position as making him feel ashamed of it."

Once one becomes emotionally invested or ideological in certain views, suasion has little effect.
It took the calamity of total collapse to break the fever of the Riech's Nazis.
And even then, many went to their graves as true believers. Publicly calling 'their' monstrous crimes contrived falsehoods/propaganda, while privately fiercely proud of what 'they' did.