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METO Guido 04-13-2026 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4023143)
It is very difficult to contort China’s progress into something apropos here. The regulatory environment existing in the United States is essentially absent there, nor are the administrative hurdles. Unless we take down the guard rails, they are bound to surpass us.

They will or won’t surpass on their own merits. Are they working harder? Yes. Smarter? Not quite yet.

ThumbsUp 04-14-2026 02:14 AM


Originally Posted by MaxQ (Post 4023160)


It probably won't last forever. Recession looms if Western economies falter. But for now China seems to doing so well due to innovation, long term planning, and patience.

And lack of climate and humanitarian regulations that Western states are party to. While they can innovate and industrialize unbridled, we have handcuffs.

AAdvocate 04-14-2026 03:55 AM


Originally Posted by furloughfuntime (Post 4023152)
This attitude right here is why China leads us by leaps and bounds in battery technology and renewables. Diversified energy production is better than putting all your eggs in one basket, but small minds take a political view to what should be a question of physics and logistics.

Nuclear is fine, but the upfront costs make it currently much less viable than solar/wind, even with current battery technology.

When you're more interested in optics and politics than science and physics, you end up abdicating your position as energy superpower. This is why China has surpassed us in this field.

Maybe concern yourself more with wattage than whether something could be called "woke"

Weird flex bragging about China leading the world in helping the environment. Didn't have that in my BINGO card.

Hubcapped 04-14-2026 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4023186)
Weird flex bragging about China leading the world in helping the environment. Didn't have that in my BINGO card.

dude. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Hes not “bragging” about china saving the environment, he’s recognizing an objective statistical FACT that china is leading the charge to be actually energy independent (free from market fluctuations). Get a grip man. You’re completely consumed by your politics.

to tie it into the current conflict, there are rumblings in the pacific of nations turning to china for these very same products that have your panties in a twist. To include Australia.

master strategist

CGLimits 04-14-2026 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4023186)
Weird flex bragging about China leading the world in helping the environment. Didn't have that in my BINGO card.

Stating facts is bragging? Helping the environment was not mentioned once in his/her post.

AAdvocate 04-14-2026 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by CGLimits (Post 4023195)
Stating facts is bragging? Helping the environment was not mentioned once in his/her post.

It was in mine. wtf was he responding to and why was he bragging about the worst polluter in the world? weird flex lol

CBreezy 04-14-2026 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4023198)
It was in mine. wtf was he responding to and why was he bragging about the worst polluter in the world? weird flex lol

Their CO2 rates per capita are around 9 tonnes a year where ours are 14.

AAdvocate 04-14-2026 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 4023209)
Their CO2 rates per capita are around 9 tonnes a year where ours are 14.

Easy when you have over a Billion people, many of whom are oppressed and living like they are forced to like like they are in the stone age. But you also bring up a great point, the US needs to invest way more in Nuclear technologies to bring that "per capita" number down.

jerryleber 04-14-2026 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4023210)
Easy when you have over a Billion people, many of whom are oppressed and living like they are forced to like like they are in the stone age.

What? Check out where China was forty years ago and while you are at it look at total historical emissions per capita. Let us know what you find.

dsevo 04-14-2026 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4023210)
Easy when you have over a Billion people, many of whom are oppressed and living like they are forced to like like they are in the stone age. But you also bring up a great point, the US needs to invest way more in Nuclear technologies to bring that "per capita" number down.

The US is investing heavily into nuclear and the current administration is giving them the tools to do it regarding streamlining permitting. I have a family member that is working obscene hours on a leading SMR project.

AAdvocate 04-14-2026 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 4023217)
What? Check out where China was forty years ago and while you are at it look at total historical emissions per capita. Let us know what you find.

40 years ago? That's a really cool story bro

AAdvocate 04-14-2026 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by dsevo (Post 4023218)
The US is investing heavily into nuclear and the current administration is giving them the tools to do it regarding streamlining permitting. I have a family member that is working obscene hours on a leading SMR project.

I do see that and it is about time. I drive an electric car but it is kind of a buzz kill that when I plug it in at night it is recharged from a coal plant.

jerryleber 04-14-2026 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4023219)
40 years ago? That's a really cool story bro

Yah, history is cool bro and knowing just a little bit about it might help you avoid making so many embarrassingly ill-informed posts. Bro, got those historical per capita emission totals yet?

AAdvocate 04-14-2026 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 4023223)
Yah, history is cool bro and knowing just a little bit about it might help you avoid making so many embarrassingly ill-informed posts. Bro, got those historical per capita emission totals yet?

Wow, really neat. What does it have to do with the price of tea in China? (no pun intended) lol at you thinking you got one over me.

checkgear 04-14-2026 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 4023223)
Yah, history is cool bro and knowing just a little bit about it might help you avoid making so many embarrassingly ill-informed posts. Bro, got those historical per capita emission totals yet?

He can barely read well constructed forum posts but we’re expecting him to look at and interpret data from the last 40 years? Good luck with that lol

AAdvocate 04-14-2026 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by checkgear (Post 4023261)
He can barely read well constructed forum posts but we’re expecting him to look at and interpret data from the last 40 years? Good luck with that lol

Why should I read 40 years worth of data? What is the argument being made here? Lol, you guys are arguing with yourselves. You take a post and strawman the **** out of it never really addressing any of the points. Do you think Nuclear energy should not be a priority for the US?

Hubcapped 04-14-2026 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4023263)
Why should I read 40 years worth of data? What is the argument being made here? Lol, you guys are arguing with yourselves. You take a post and strawman the **** out of it never really addressing any of the points. Do you think Nuclear energy should not be a priority for the US?

you realize that when you get all emotional and ignore data you look like you dont have a clue of what you are talking about right? You understand that it debases your credibility?



this is full on partisan fear porn in action folks. completely consumed human that cant even have a normal conversation

AAdvocate 04-14-2026 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 4023270)
you realize that when you get all emotional and ignore data you look like you dont have a clue of what you are talking about right? You understand that it debases your credibility?



this is full on partisan fear porn in action folks. completely consumed human that cant even have a normal conversation

lol, what is political in my post? Do you think Nuclear energy should be a priority for the US and what does fOrTy YeArS worth of data have to do with it?

OpieTaylor 04-14-2026 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by checkgear (Post 4023261)
He can barely read well constructed forum posts but we’re expecting him to look at and interpret data from the last 40 years? Good luck with that lol

It is hard to understand. China has a much higher percentage of substance farming populations, with little carbon footprint.

We will then use their low carbon per capita numbers to insinuate they are industry leaders on carbon mitigation per capita?

The US should invest in the Amish fertility rates to lower the carbon per capita data?

jerryleber 04-14-2026 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by OpieTaylor (Post 4023277)
It is hard to understand.

Is it? How else would you compare all sorts of metrics between countries with disparate populations and at different stages of development? Per capita is how apples to apples comparisons of income, standard of living, consumption, etc. are made. It is much like using percentages and if one can't understand such simple metrics then they can be easily misinformed as is all too often the case.

A simple example would be comparing Alaska pilot pay to AA pilot pay. Obviously, we would not use how much each airline pays in total pilot compensation, would we?

Excargodog 04-14-2026 07:40 AM

Meanwhile, back at the refinery…

[img alt=""]https://i.postimg.cc/NFFq5TfL/IMG-8010.jpg[/img]

rickair7777 04-14-2026 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 4023018)
The Dow Jones index is literally just 30 American companies. It excludes utilities and transportation, and it is most certainly not representative of the overall US economy. If you only judge world events by whatever number the Dow happens to be at, I don't know what to tell you...

Yes the Dow, and the markets in general, are a fair bit disconnected from short and mid-term economic prospects.

They can be looking for short-term gains based a variety of factors, not all of which are great for the economy.

Overall I'd say the markets do reflect some degree of optimism that this will sort itself out before too long. That doesn't mean the market drivers are experts on geopolitics, or know what Trump will do however,

OpieTaylor 04-14-2026 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 4023284)
Is it? How else would you compare all sorts of metrics between countries with disparate populations and at different stages of development? Per capita is how apples to apples comparisons of income, standard of living, consumption, etc. are made. It is much like using percentages and if one can't understand such simple metrics then they can be easily misinformed as is all too often the case.

A simple example would be comparing Alaska pilot pay to AA pilot pay. Obviously, we would not use how much each airline pays in total pilot compensation, would we?

I am still not sure what you are trying to communicate.

It sounds like you are advocating for dividing the entire company payroll/benefits amongst the entire pilot group to demonstrate total compensation.

Someone points out you are not allowed to smoke at Alaska and that’s driving down healthcare benefit cost, lowering benefits cost per capita and you are repeating that it’s the only fair way and not hard to understand.

“Obviously Alaska pilot’s total compensation is less because their employer spends less for health care coverage per capita”

rickair7777 04-14-2026 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 4023102)
Good point. I forgot nuclear. Another solution that would make us so much less dependent on whatever the latest Gulf conflict du jour is....

It would be (will be?) a good start.

But that doesn't insulate us from the global economy, which still is and will be for the foreseeable future, dependent on the global oil commodity.

Again for those who might have missed it, oil is a global economy, and price swings largely affect everybody. It would be a lengthy and expensive process for most nations to achieve petro independence... they'd have to ban most or all exports, ban all imports, create large domestic stockpiles, and also build the right kind of refineries in the right locations. All of that is expensive and politically challenging.

And that's for nations which actually have domestic reserves, like us.

SoFloFlyer 04-14-2026 08:14 AM

Looks like Crude is at $88 at the moment and a second round of peace talks are about to happen. The end of this fiasco could be right around the corner

METO Guido 04-14-2026 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 4023306)
Looks like Crude is at $88 at the moment and a second round of peace talks are about to happen. The end of this fiasco could be right around the corner

I hope you’re right.

Excargodog 04-14-2026 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 4023306)
Looks like Crude is at $88 at the moment and a second round of peace talks are about to happen. The end of this fiasco could be right around the corner

One can always hope…

DeltaboundRedux 04-14-2026 10:51 AM

Since this thread nominally is about energy in general, check out this link:

https://opengridworks.com/power-plan...s&panel=closed

Every power substation, power generation (wind/solar/nuclear/coal/natural gas, etc.) in a quick scroll map.

Fascinating. Really good stuff for state, national, and global energy flows.

ShyGuy 04-14-2026 01:28 PM

This war made me hungry for tacos for some reason.

CX500T 04-14-2026 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4023420)
This war made me hungry for tacos for some reason.

It is Taco Tuesday.

METO Guido 04-14-2026 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4023420)
This war made me hungry for tacos for some reason.

Let me get this straight, waging a major bombing campaign on a mainline global trade route and backstopping with a naval blockade is somehow chickening out. wat?

Midsomer 04-14-2026 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by METO Guido (Post 4023432)
Let me get this straight, waging a major bombing campaign on a mainline global trade route and backstopping with a naval blockade is somehow chickening out. wat?

blockading a strait that was already closed that was open before the major bombing campaign and now agreeing to iran enrichment of uranium….declaring 48 hours, 10 days, 2 weeks and taco’ing on each deadline. But what do expect from a doctor that wears a robe….

METO Guido 04-14-2026 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Midsomer (Post 4023437)
blockading a strait that was already closed that was open before the major bombing campaign and now agreeing to iran enrichment of uranium….declaring 48 hours, 10 days, 2 weeks and taco’ing on each deadline. But what do expect from a doctor that wears a robe….

Damn fine rendering though? The guy in the bed kinda favors Paul Newman imo. These are all acts of war by any textbook definition. The kia/wounded tally quite real. If there’s any chicken here, make it me. Full stop. All boats…return to previous duty. CNO


CGLimits 04-14-2026 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by METO Guido (Post 4023444)
Damn fine rendering though? The guy in the bed kinda favors Paul Newman imo. These are all acts of war by any textbook definition. The kia/wounded tally quite real. If there’s any chicken here, make it me. Full stop. All boats…return to previous duty. CNO

I think he looks more like Epstein than Paul Newman.

METO Guido 04-14-2026 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by CGLimits (Post 4023461)
I think he looks more like Epstein than Paul Newman.

Both dead, Jewish and dem. Interesting. Weird graphic regardless. Very weird.

Freds Ex 04-14-2026 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 4023306)
Looks like Crude is at $88 at the moment and a second round of peace talks are about to happen. The end of this fiasco could be right around the corner

Or the next step could be around the corner.

Peace talks and ceasefire is just time being bought.

Kharg invasion before Monday looks realistic from these cheap seats.

Excargodog 04-15-2026 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by METO Guido (Post 4023462)
Both dead, Jewish and dem. Interesting. Weird graphic regardless. Very weird.

Depends on the audience. It might have been intended to convince a certain Shiite theocracy that he is just as bat$hit crazy as they are and they’d best negotiate while they have something left to negotiate with.

I read a recent article that started out by saying the current government of Iran has never won a war but they’ve never lost a negotiation. Historically, there is an element of truth in that. There is a tendency on the part of sociopaths - and sociopathic societies - to believe they are the only sociopaths in existence. Disabusing them of that notion - before negotiating with them - is sometimes helpful.

METO Guido 04-15-2026 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 4023580)
Depends on the audience. It might have been intended to convince a certain Shiite theocracy that he is just as bat$hit crazy as they are and they’d best negotiate while they have something left to negotiate with.

I read a recent article that started out by saying the current government of Iran has never won a war but they’ve never lost a negotiation. Historically, there is an element of truth in that. There is a tendency on the part of sociopaths - and sociopathic societies - to believe they are the only sociopaths in existence. Disabusing them of that notion - before negotiating with them - is sometimes helpful.

If so, the artist nailed it spot on. Never a good idea to trade punches with a pope however. Even a former shining path Franciscan friar.

jerryleber 04-15-2026 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by METO Guido (Post 4023585)
Never a good idea to trade punches with a pope however. Even a former shining path Franciscan friar.

Are you referring to the anti-Shining Path Augustinian Pope?

METO Guido 04-15-2026 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 4023604)
Are you referring to the anti-Shining Path Augustinian Pope?

Good heavens no. Doesn’t rhyme. I’m guessing Jesuit for you jerry?



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