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DirkDiggler9999 03-21-2026 12:05 AM


Originally Posted by Judge Smails (Post 4015124)
Don’t forget the Russians. Our Dear Leader has lifted oil sanctions against them too. It helps them provide further intel on our positions to the Iranians and wage war against Ukraine. No need to worry though, our Dear Leader is a Master at 4D chess.

If I remember right, weren’t we energy independent not too long ago?

goshawk 03-21-2026 04:14 AM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 4015119)
That wasn’t the point. Nice try to parry it away…….

Doesn’t matter if it’s DA, or proxy.

If you weren’t irritated by the billions we approved for the Ukraine conflict as well as the higher gas prices, “then there’s no point in engaging with you” :rolleyes:

It is absolutely imperative we clarify that these are two completely different types of conflicts.

Ukraine was invaded by a neo-imperialist Russia, and oil and trade sanctions drove up global oil prices (worse in EU).

Iran has been launching ranged attacks at GCC refineries and sinching oil supply routes with threat of destruction to oil barges. These countries are retaliating with similar targeted strikes to Iran's refineries. This drives up global prices (worse in Asia) because of physical, nearly irreprable damage to gas producing infrastructure. Oil sanction on Iran have been in place since 2006.

If we can't agree on these factualy unbiased differences regardless of support for our attack or not there is no room for discussion.

MaxQ 03-21-2026 04:29 AM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler9999 (Post 4015137)
If I remember right, weren’t we energy independent not too long ago?

That was, and is, a bit of a shell game where total consumption of petroleum is less than what the USA produces. Such as natural gas, volumn gains in refining process, etc.
in truth the USA hasn't since the 1960s produced enough crude oil to meet the demand of refineries.
example: 2025 crude oil extracted was about 13.4 million barrels per day. Refinery demand was about 16.5 mbd. A shortfall of crude oil that was just overv3 mbd.
Most of that shortfall is covered by imported oil from Canada.

Round Luggage 03-21-2026 04:42 AM

If only the president knew.

Turbosina 03-21-2026 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by Round Luggage (Post 4015157)
If only the president knew.

He was right about one thing. I am indeed "tired of all the winning."

DeltaboundRedux 03-21-2026 04:49 AM

Remember 8 months ago when the Iranian nuclear program was “obliterated”, tariffs would raise so much revenue everyone was going to get a $2,000 stimmy check PLUS income tax was going to be eliminated because of DOGE cuts and tariff revenue?


I’m beginning to think my government and its media organs aren’t entirely trustworthy.

AAdvocate 03-21-2026 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 4015119)
That wasn’t the point. Nice try to parry it away…….

Doesn’t matter if it’s DA, or proxy.

If you weren’t irritated by the billions we approved for the Ukraine conflict as well as the higher gas prices, “then there’s no point in engaging with you” :rolleyes:

Yep, none of them complained about the so called "Putin Price Hike" (although most of the price increases, including at the pump, was really caused by the misnamed Inflation Reduction Act).

JurgenKlopp 03-21-2026 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by goshawk (Post 4015152)

Iran has been launching ranged attacks at GCC refineries and sinching oil supply routes with threat of destruction to oil barges. These countries are retaliating with similar targeted strikes to Iran's refineries. This drives up global prices (worse in Asia) because of physical, nearly irreprable damage to gas producing infrastructure. Oil sanction on Iran have been in place since 2006.

If we can't agree on these factualy unbiased differences regardless of support for our attack or not there is no room for discussion.

For the purposes of facts can you please indicate which GCC country has launched retaliatory strikes against Iranian refineries?

Excargodog 03-21-2026 06:51 AM

So, how close to Armageddon is it before it’s “imminent.” Clearly, they were further along toward worldwide ICBM then was generally believed.

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What if their progression toward nuclear weapons - which after all, IS 80 YEAR OLD TECHNOLOGY - was similarly more advanced than generally believed? Does an ICBM attack become “imminent” when it is still boosting - or must we wait until it’s in its ballistic phase of flight?

ThumbsUp 03-21-2026 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 4015195)
So, how close to Armageddon is it before it’s “imminent.” Clearly, they were further along toward worldwide ICBM then was generally believed.

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What if their progression toward nuclear weapons - which after all, IS 80 YEAR OLD TECHNOLOGY - was similarly more advanced than generally believed? Does an ICBM attack become “imminent” when it is still boosting - or must we wait until it’s in its ballistic phase of flight?

Weird. I though they were just doing mostly peaceful protests 😂


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