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Old 03-24-2026 | 08:02 AM
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Devil's advocate - but if Iran had dropped a bomb on the WH, killed the President and accidentally killed 170 school children in the process would that make you less likely to want to attack Iran in the future?
Devils advocate myself here. If that same regime within the last 3 months killed 30,000 of their own citizens for the crime of protesting, would that make them less likely to attack themselves in the future? It's perplexing how one side of the isle totally ignored that atrocity.
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Old 03-24-2026 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by icohftb
Agree we had no intention of killing children - I don't know if it was due to out of date intel (most probably?) or if the Iranians purposefully set them up as a human shield.
Possible, but no indication that I've seen. IR isn't DPRK or Gaza... they don't have a tight enough hold on their own population to get away with pulling a stunt like that if they got caught. Too risky IMO.

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I do however think the administration failed in the initial messaging with what seemed like a denial/casting blame on someone else's tomahawk.
Usually these kinds of things seem to blow up more on our end than anything.
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Old 03-24-2026 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by icohftb;[url=tel:4016291
4016291[/url]]Agree we had no intention of killing children - I don't know if it was due to out of date intel (most probably?) or if the Iranians purposefully set them up as a human shield. I do however think the administration failed in the initial messaging with what seemed like a denial/casting blame on someone else's tomahawk.
You never know with squirrely admin talking heads.

A drone strike was dubbed as “righteous” by the JCS a few years back, it wasn’t so “righteous”

A Chinese embassy bombed on “accident”, etc etc etc…..

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Old 03-24-2026 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
You never know with squirrely admin talking heads.

A drone strike was dubbed as “righteous” by the JCS a few years back, it wasn’t so “righteous”

A Chinese embassy bombed on “accident”, etc etc etc…..

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Which OS and browser?
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Old 03-24-2026 | 08:20 AM
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Which OS and browser?
ios, safari.

Multiple other quotes/posters in other forums I see same.

Makes trying to follow a discussion difficult after a while.
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Old 03-24-2026 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by icohftb
Devil's advocate - but if Iran had dropped a bomb on the WH, killed the President and accidentally killed 170 school children in the process would that make you less likely to want to attack Iran in the future?
It is fair counterpoint, but impossible to entertain the hypothetical as the United States is not a Tyrannical Theocracy and if it were I'm not sure I'd be too disappointed with someone trying to remove it from power. That statement comes with my bias of course of NOT preferring tyrannical theocracies. Some people think thats the way to go.....it's just not for me.
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Old 03-24-2026 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
Devils advocate myself here. If that same regime within the last 3 months killed 30,000 of their own citizens for the crime of protesting, would that make them less likely to attack themselves in the future? It's perplexing how one side of the isle totally ignored that atrocity.
How about the deaths in the Arab spring? Oh wait, the west is okay with those protestor deaths because they don’t want US-friendly governments in the ME to be toppled in any way.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
How about the deaths in the Arab spring? Oh wait, the west is okay with those protestor deaths because they don’t want US-friendly governments in the ME to be toppled in any way.
Arab spring achieved much progress, at least short-term, including governments over-thrown. So it all went pretty well, if you're reform-minded.

We were fairly preoccupied with ensuring the safety and security of US forces and AMCITs in the region. Didn't really have the bandwidth to wade into multiple civil wars (in addition to OIF/OEF).
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Old 03-24-2026 | 10:24 AM
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Now the Saudi Prince wants Trump to put boots on the ground to destroy Iran’s “hard line government.” The sheer irony of any Saudi prince to say hard line government is astounding. And Bibi saying the U.S. can’t end this war, only when Israel wants to end it, it will end.

We are being played on the world stage and it is an embarrassment.
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Old 03-24-2026 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by AAdvocate
Devils advocate myself here. If that same regime within the last 3 months killed 30,000 of their own citizens for the crime of protesting, would that make them less likely to attack themselves in the future? It's perplexing how one side of the isle totally ignored that atrocity.
I’m not even sure it’s a side-of-the-aisle issue. I don’t know which way the current leader of Iran leaned prior to the war. He might have had a privately held love for bourbon, rock and roll, and the F150. Or not. We know he spent months in the U.S. getting IVF for his wife. But after his wife, son, and father were turned into pink mist, and his brother and sister-in-law are only alive because they got buried under concrete - we can probably guess what his views are now. Not criticizing, but it is a factor.

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Possible, but no indication that I've seen. IR isn't DPRK or Gaza... they don't have a tight enough hold on their own population to get away with pulling a stunt like that if they got caught. Too risky IMO.

Usually these kinds of things seem to blow up more on our end than anything.
The truth is likely in the middle. Allow a school to be housed abutting a major military HQ, with classes in session, during a major conflict is human shield adjacent behavior.

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