Originally Posted by AntiCompanyMan

Hmm I wonder how Iran gained its nuclear expertise to begin with:

"Iran's nuclear ambitions began under the rule of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, with support from the United States and Western Europe. In 1957, Iran and the US signed a civil nuclear cooperation agreement as part of President Dwight Eisenhower's "Atoms for Peace" program. This led to the construction of Iran's first nuclear research facility at Tehran. In November 1967, the Tehran Research Reactor (TRR) went critical – a 5 megawatt (thermal) light-water reactor, which initially ran on highly enriched uranium (HEU) fuel at 93% U-235, provided by the US."

Why is the current regime so hostile to America? Oh right, because America enabled political terrorism by the Shah's secret police:

"According to a declassified CIA memo citing a classified U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee report, the CIA played a significant role in establishing SAVAK, providing both funding and training.[7] The organization became notorious for its extensive surveillance, repression, and torture of political dissidents. The Shah used SAVAK to arrest, imprison, exile, and torture his opponents, leading to widespread public resentment."

And how do we fix the past mistakes of American intervention?

More intervention of course! More regime change! It will definitely work this time. We need to go to war in the middle east because of the threat of WMDs. It'll go great

Originally Posted by ThumbsUp

Yeah, can’t uncork that bottle. All you can do is remove desire of the bottle.

Originally Posted by AntiCompanyMan

Remind me again, what is the definition of insanity?

Originally Posted by ThumbsUp

I think it’s thinking Iran armed with a nuclear weapon is a good idea.

Originally Posted by AntiCompanyMan

I'll help you out. It's doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result.

The current regime is a product of US interventionism.

You are saying the only solution to US interventionism is more US interventionism.

Originally Posted by MaxQ

I recently read a piece in Foreign Affairs about what a peace agreement with Iran would look like.
It naturally had some comments on the 2015 JCPOA.

The author essentially stated that for some factions of American political actors, and the administration that came to power in 2017, there wasn't (and isn't) much that Iran can do.
Giving up 98% of their enriched uranium.Destroying most of their centrifuges. Complying with inspections. Etc.
Wasn't enough.
Negotiating with people whom will not take "yes" for an answer is an impossibility.

in short, complying with the agreement which achieved the goals that were stated in last years 12 day war and have belatedly surfaced in the current war was and is not enough for some in both America and Israel.

JCPOA wasn't a pipe dream. It likely achieved as good an outcome as reasonable people could expect. No nuclear weapons or enrichment for 10 years. A chance for Iran to rejoin the international community, which would be the basis of any lasting peace.
(as a side note, the failure of Russia to integrate into the world order is a major reason why Russia is at war in Ukraine. The achievement of China being integrated into the world's rules based order is a major reason why China ISN'T at war with us or its neighbors)

Your post essentially states that Iran can never be allowed to say "yes".

Originally Posted by METO Guido

Then why do Paki’s extend us such great favor? No, Iran’s caliphate seeks glory through vengeance of supernatural, supreme guidance. Correct in that we naturally oppose such a vision.

Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna

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It’s staggering how many conspiracy nutjobs have congregated in this thread.

It’s like a lounge for anti semitic pilots to blow their dog whistles.


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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna

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It’s staggering how many conspiracy nutjobs have congregated in this thread.

It’s like a lounge for anti semitic pilots to blow their dog whistles.


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