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Old 03-14-2026 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Only RU actually stands to benefit from this mess (they have plenty of oil themselves and what they can manage to sell around sanctions is probably their major source of hard currency).

PRC suffers from high oil prices like the rest of us. They would benefit from stability in the region (and in oil prices) more than they would from abstractly poking us in the eye. They also participate in anti-piracy ops in the region, in coordination with western navies. So not really a ridiculous idea. They are pretty practical.
With respect…..you are are missing the point
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Old 03-14-2026 | 05:00 PM
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So we are asking the Chinese to help us in iran now? Is this real life or a Saturday night live skit?
This whole timeline is a SNL skit, starting at the ride down the escalator.
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With respect…..you are are missing the point
Hopefully the point isn't partisan in nature.
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Old 03-14-2026 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I know what you're saying but I was given non-menial tasks for about a decade. I did more than my fair share of AD, and accumulated a critical mass of expertise and credibility.

But why attack my service history, instead of the merits of the discussion? I know some regular AD folks like to look down their noses at reservists, but if it helps I did start life as regular AD on day one (back when that was a thing) and made my own choices along the way. Not everybody who bailed on regular AD had a DUI.
I wasn’t attacking the fact the you were a reservist. I was stating the way things are (or at least were). If as a reservist you were in the office for a few days a month, you couldn’t own any program or process. We had reservists on EAD who brought lots of corporate knowledge from other areas of government who were just as competent as their AD peers.
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Old 03-14-2026 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Hopefully the point isn't partisan in nature.
lolz, the point has nothing to do with partisan politics. It wouldnt matter who was in charge. Starting a war with no clear ability to keep 20% of the worlds oil supply moving and ultimately asking for help with hat in hand from the chinese like a poor little orphan, weeks into the conflict is beyond ridiculous and embarrassing. I question the actual sanity of anyone that thinks both of those objective facts are in any capacity good for the US.

If anyone reads that as a partisan take then they need to reevaluate their ability to remain objective

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Originally Posted by md11pilot11
Listen, I know insurance has been the big talk. But we all here operate large machines for big companies. And I guarantee none of you would operate a flight that flew over Iran. So how many of these tanker captains are willing to put themselves, their crew, and their ships in harms way. I’m just throwing this out there.
I think you are very right to throw this out there. My company and I would imagine all of the companies that make up employers on this thread have the FAR 121.627 responsibility written into the FOM or equivalent. For those going to another tab to google, it is basically saying the the PIC cannot allow a flight to continue toward any airport for which it has been released if in the opinion of the captain the flight cannot be operated safely. Now I can tell you, having worked at JetBlue, the company really pushes the boundaries of that definition for every single flight to Port Au Prince……but I would Imagine a maritime equivalent exists for FAR 121.627.
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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
lolz, the point has nothing to do with partisan politics. It wouldnt matter who was in charge. Starting a war with no clear ability to keep 20% of the worlds oil supply moving and ultimately asking for help with hat in hand from the chinese like a poor little orphan, weeks into the conflict is beyond ridiculous and embarrassing. I question the actual sanity of anyone that thinks both of those objective facts are in any capacity good for the US.

If anyone reads that as a partisan take then they need to reevaluate their ability to remain objective
That's why I said up front we aren't going to discuss how we got here or why, it doesn't matter at this point (as I've said countless times, I don't think this was a good idea, like about 70% of the rest of America). We wouldn't even be discussing it all except for the fact that it's going to affect the airlines.
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Old 03-15-2026 | 07:14 AM
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I think you are very right to throw this out there. My company and I would imagine all of the companies that make up employers on this thread have the FAR 121.627 responsibility written into the FOM or equivalent. For those going to another tab to google, it is basically saying the the PIC cannot allow a flight to continue toward any airport for which it has been released if in the opinion of the captain the flight cannot be operated safely. Now I can tell you, having worked at JetBlue, the company really pushes the boundaries of that definition for every single flight to Port Au Prince……but I would Imagine a maritime equivalent exists for FAR 121.627.
It is a valid point, and reportedly one of the factors limiting current traffic.

But those crews operate in pirate-infested waters all the time, have for years in the modern era (for millennia, historically). It's just a matter of providing the right mitigation and potentially compensation.

Also aircrew are at quite a bit more risk from kinetic actions than 12 guys on a VLCC/ULCC... those things are *really* massive, so while they can suffer costly damage and potentially leak oil with really costly environmental consequences, they're not likely to sink and the crew isn't at anywhere near the same risk as aircrew.

Point being, long-term, global oil supply will not remain choked off because of crews... they'll be protected, incentivized, or replaced.
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Old 03-15-2026 | 01:08 PM
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Guys, guys, guys. We are still paying less than we were for 89 from 2022-2023. Chill.

Too many people getting spun up. Natl avg in 2022 was $4.13...so.

We are absolutely obliterating a thorn in the side of the world, aka Iran. Step back and bask in the effective efforts of our forces and the IDF.

This operation is a perfect example of the insane shortsightedness and bonkers level of instant gratification that we, the US, and more of the world have now; no one stands to have any inconvenience in their lives or God forbid, actual sacrifice.

Love the news reads of "war drags on in the Middle East." GMAFB, ops haven't been happening for a month and they write it like its 5 years into a war.
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Old 03-15-2026 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
But those crews operate in pirate-infested waters all the time, have for years in the modern era (for millennia, historically). It's just a matter of providing the right mitigation and potentially compensation.
Point being, long-term, global oil supply will not remain choked off because of crews... they'll be protected, incentivized, or replaced.
True. Everything has a price. Follow the money. Clarity approaches 20/20 the nearer you get.


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