$312/$218
08-07-2007, 10:50 PM
#21
APC co-founder
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Originally Posted by jsled
You will just have to wait until you retire to see if you did the right thing.
08-08-2007, 05:08 AM
#22
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Position: UPS 767 Gear & Flap Operator
Posts: 271
Originally Posted by Young Jack
I wonder how many people at cargo have apps at the paxs'. I wonder how many paxs' have apps at the cargo...
08-08-2007, 05:25 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by jsled
Posted by WatchThis:
By the time you get a pay raise, what will that be, almost a decade of brining up the industry rear? Good luck guys I hope you can rape Tilton as bad as he has you. I just don't see UAL causing qualified applicants to trip over themselves to apply, there isn't anything there.>>>>>
Oh. I don't know, 1100 applicants in 2 weeks. And the paycut came in 2003. The second one in 2005. I think it will be considerably less than a decade when we get our raise. Lets not exaggerate. It is like your co-worker CaptainMark said. "UAL set the bar". So now since were not the highest paid pilot group anymore, were ****? There are many jobs in aviation. Probably 80% pay less than ol' UAL. Even now. Probably why 2/3 of the furloughees accepted recall. Good on you for jumping ship and going to the cargo side. That does'nt mean that is best for everyone. You will just have to wait until you retire to see if you did the right thing.
Jsled,
United Pilot and Bar Setter
By the time you get a pay raise, what will that be, almost a decade of brining up the industry rear? Good luck guys I hope you can rape Tilton as bad as he has you. I just don't see UAL causing qualified applicants to trip over themselves to apply, there isn't anything there.>>>>>
Oh. I don't know, 1100 applicants in 2 weeks. And the paycut came in 2003. The second one in 2005. I think it will be considerably less than a decade when we get our raise. Lets not exaggerate. It is like your co-worker CaptainMark said. "UAL set the bar". So now since were not the highest paid pilot group anymore, were ****? There are many jobs in aviation. Probably 80% pay less than ol' UAL. Even now. Probably why 2/3 of the furloughees accepted recall. Good on you for jumping ship and going to the cargo side. That does'nt mean that is best for everyone. You will just have to wait until you retire to see if you did the right thing.
Jsled,
United Pilot and Bar Setter
During the ups contract talks the paycutes taken by the legacy carriers was used against the pilots all the time from what I hear. If UAL gets a payraise maybe someday UPS guys can achieve the same payscale as the old Delta/UAL contracts.
It would be good for us all.
08-08-2007, 05:54 AM
#24
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Wow, everyone's so bitter in this thread... they should rename this site bitterairlinepilotforums.com or letsgetintoa****ingmatch.com 
08-08-2007, 07:39 AM
#25
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Beware!
Originally Posted by jsled
You will just have to wait until you retire to see if you did the right thing.
08-08-2007, 08:04 AM
#26
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Position: FO, looking left
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Originally Posted by CaptainMark
no ...u have 30 747s and 52 777s...we have 122 md-11s and 120 airbusses.
This is true. But as Jsled brought up, United used to pay their A-320 pilots (some of their smallest airplanes) at $232/$158 per hour. That is about what FedEx pays their Airbus/MD-11 which are much larger. And United used to pay their 777 pilots $292/$197 per hour and their 747 pilots $312/$218 per hour.
Why am I mentioning this? I don't think we should be having a FedEx VS. United debate. FedEx was bringing up the rear before, now United is not doing too well. Obviously pilots like to defend their individual airlines, and that is fine. I know Jsled posted this thread because he is tired of people picking on United for bringing down the industry when just a few years ago they were the best of the best. And I agree with him. But lets turn this thread into something useful that can benefit us all.
FedEx/UPS settled for their current rates because they were put in a bad position. The legacy carriers had all taken MASSIVE paycuts of 30-40% and any raise (no matter how small) would have made them the industries best compensated. I have no doubt that FedEx/UPS would have rates above the United 2000 rates if the legacies had not taken the massive pay cuts.
Fortunately, FedEx and UPS are in a great position. Their contracts become ammendable after all of the legacy carriers contracts. FedEx and UPS may have the benefit of seeing how the legacy contracts pan out. Folks at United/American/Delta/etc... are very angry, and they deserve atleast a 30% pay raise (that will put them above FedEx/UPS again). Perhaps then FedEx/UPS can raise the bar again with their new contracts since their companies are making BILLIONS OF DOLLARS each year.
Hopefully next contract negotiations, FedEx and UPS can get "United plus 1%." Or perhaps more.
08-08-2007, 08:48 AM
#27
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Originally Posted by ryane946
And United used to pay their 777 pilots $292/$197 per hour and their 747 pilots $312/$218 per hour.
...good luck
08-08-2007, 09:04 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by ryane946
FedEx/UPS settled for their current rates because they were put in a bad position. The legacy carriers had all taken MASSIVE paycuts of 30-40% and any raise (no matter how small) would have made them the industries best compensated. I have no doubt that FedEx/UPS would have rates above the United 2000 rates if the legacies had not taken the massive pay cuts.
Fortunately, FedEx and UPS are in a great position. Their contracts become ammendable after all of the legacy carriers contracts. FedEx and UPS may have the benefit of seeing how the legacy contracts pan out. Folks at United/American/Delta/etc... are very angry, and they deserve atleast a 30% pay raise (that will put them above FedEx/UPS again). Perhaps then FedEx/UPS can raise the bar again with their new contracts since their companies are making BILLIONS OF DOLLARS each year.
Hopefully next contract negotiations, FedEx and UPS can get "United plus 1%." Or perhaps more.
Fortunately, FedEx and UPS are in a great position. Their contracts become ammendable after all of the legacy carriers contracts. FedEx and UPS may have the benefit of seeing how the legacy contracts pan out. Folks at United/American/Delta/etc... are very angry, and they deserve atleast a 30% pay raise (that will put them above FedEx/UPS again). Perhaps then FedEx/UPS can raise the bar again with their new contracts since their companies are making BILLIONS OF DOLLARS each year.
Hopefully next contract negotiations, FedEx and UPS can get "United plus 1%." Or perhaps more.
08-08-2007, 09:05 AM
#29
Che Guevara
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,408
You mean like it's $347million earnings in second quarter 2000? Just a random one I picked to google. Don't know if they were all that good but doesn't look like they were pulling their hair out just yet.
08-08-2007, 09:21 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
Even then you could be in for a nasty surprise, if you're counting on a company pension. Retirement benefits (lump sum or annuity) should be in your name and held by solid financial institutions outside the airline industry.
