$312/$218
08-08-2007, 09:38 AM
#31
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
Posts: 4,357
"Currently the top pay in inflation based dollars at ups is almost the same as it was in 1998."
This is true. We do start getting COL adjustments later in the contract to make up for inflation, though. The F/O's, however, did get a pretty good raise on the last contract. Which they totally deserved, by the way.
This is true. We do start getting COL adjustments later in the contract to make up for inflation, though. The F/O's, however, did get a pretty good raise on the last contract. Which they totally deserved, by the way.
08-08-2007, 06:10 PM
#32
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: B-737 F/O
Posts: 82
Originally Posted by de727ups
I think it pays what it does because UPS and Fedex have always made money and never had a problem with bankruptcy.
Sure would be nice if a freight guy or two admitted on here that they had some luck too. FDX/UPS had pre-911 contracts that were pretty good, but behind UAL/DAL, but when it came time to renegotiate, their companies were raking in the profits while legacies were all going bankrupt. Now they were no longer "airline" pilots as far as pattern bargaining goes. More power to them in getting their deal, but memories are pretty short if freight guys don't think that legacy airline contracts are what led to their current pay, work rules and especially vacation. For the FDX crowd, do you guys really think that Fred would have paid you your current rates and given up trips touching vacation if the precedent had not been set by airlines? You're crazy if you don't thing that FDX/UPS contract negotiators used airline contracts leverage pre-911, but wisely chose to not be "airline pilots" in recent times.
Enjoy all your toys, time off and day flying, but a little humility and recognition of how you reached your prosperity would be refreshing.
By "you" I mean all the cargo guys who smuggly comment about how much they deserve their great deal without comment about how they have gotten their "deals" in previous years
08-08-2007, 06:37 PM
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: FDX A300 CPT
Posts: 967
Originally Posted by grumman
Right, I guess your pay rates have nothing to do with the pre-911 contracts that were negotiated by the "legacies" that the freight dogs love to bash?
Sure would be nice if a freight guy or two admitted on here that they had some luck too. FDX/UPS had pre-911 contracts that were pretty good, but behind UAL/DAL, but when it came time to renegotiate, their companies were raking in the profits while legacies were all going bankrupt. Now they were no longer "airline" pilots as far as pattern bargaining goes. More power to them in getting their deal, but memories are pretty short if freight guys don't think that legacy airline contracts are what led to their current pay, work rules and especially vacation. For the FDX crowd, do you guys really think that Fred would have paid you your current rates and given up trips touching vacation if the precedent had not been set by airlines? You're crazy if you don't thing that FDX/UPS contract negotiators used airline contracts leverage pre-911, but wisely chose to not be "airline pilots" in recent times.
Enjoy all your toys, time off and day flying, but a little humility and recognition of how you reached your prosperity would be refreshing.
By "you" I mean all the cargo guys who smuggly comment about how much they deserve their great deal without comment about how they have gotten their "deals" in previous years
Sure would be nice if a freight guy or two admitted on here that they had some luck too. FDX/UPS had pre-911 contracts that were pretty good, but behind UAL/DAL, but when it came time to renegotiate, their companies were raking in the profits while legacies were all going bankrupt. Now they were no longer "airline" pilots as far as pattern bargaining goes. More power to them in getting their deal, but memories are pretty short if freight guys don't think that legacy airline contracts are what led to their current pay, work rules and especially vacation. For the FDX crowd, do you guys really think that Fred would have paid you your current rates and given up trips touching vacation if the precedent had not been set by airlines? You're crazy if you don't thing that FDX/UPS contract negotiators used airline contracts leverage pre-911, but wisely chose to not be "airline pilots" in recent times.
Enjoy all your toys, time off and day flying, but a little humility and recognition of how you reached your prosperity would be refreshing.
By "you" I mean all the cargo guys who smuggly comment about how much they deserve their great deal without comment about how they have gotten their "deals" in previous years
ok..i said you guys set the bar..for a while....flying tigers pilots were the highest paid airline pilots in the world for many years.....i guess you should thank the FTL pilots then......back to the cargo forum for us lowly fr8dogs..
Last edited by CaptainMark; 08-09-2007 at 05:48 AM.
08-08-2007, 07:46 PM
#34
Ben Salley
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Left
Posts: 924
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Last edited by A320fumes; 08-09-2007 at 05:40 AM.
08-10-2007, 04:59 PM
#35
Indian Takeout Driver
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: FAR part 347 (91+121+135)
Posts: 1,566
Originally Posted by threegreen
FDX & UPS, have nothing on the contracts that UA, AA, DL had. The sad thing is that was 4-6 yrs ago.
ain't it amazing how our expectations have gone down so much!
08-10-2007, 05:14 PM
#36
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 55
Originally Posted by GIANT PILOT
There's probably way more pax guys looking at cargo jobs, than the cargo guys looking the other way. I know of no one here at Atlas personally who has any interest of flying passengers, heck I would take a big pay cut going to any of the majors!
My point exactly. How many ex-cargo-current-pax guys are kicking themselves in the arse? Second year wide body at Freds place makes more than...Ah the list is too long.
08-11-2007, 08:55 AM
#37
MD-11 first officer
Joined APC: Jun 2005
Position: MD-11 slug
Posts: 201
Originally Posted by Young Jack
My point exactly. How many ex-cargo-current-pax guys are kicking themselves in the arse? Second year wide body at Freds place makes more than...Ah the list is too long.
08-11-2007, 09:12 AM
#38
Chief Jeppesen Updater
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Executive Transport Driver
Posts: 3,080
Which is better? Cargo or Pax? Neither!
Corporate!
All kidding aside- who gives a rip what you make as long as it pays the bills and you're happy?!?
I can guarantee that I make more per flight hour than every pilot on these boards that is unionized. The flip side is that I don't have anywhere near as big an annual salary. The flip side to that is I doubt that very many of you spent 258 days at home on the couch in the past 12 months while enjoying the benefits of a salaried position.
Do what makes you happy and meets your financial needs. Who gives a rip what other people think? I don't need to explain my motivations to accept/deny a particular job to anybody except for myself (and my family). Beyond that I could care less what others think.
Remember things come and go in cycles. Today's rose might be tomorrows dog (and vice versa).
Corporate!
All kidding aside- who gives a rip what you make as long as it pays the bills and you're happy?!?
I can guarantee that I make more per flight hour than every pilot on these boards that is unionized. The flip side is that I don't have anywhere near as big an annual salary. The flip side to that is I doubt that very many of you spent 258 days at home on the couch in the past 12 months while enjoying the benefits of a salaried position.
Do what makes you happy and meets your financial needs. Who gives a rip what other people think? I don't need to explain my motivations to accept/deny a particular job to anybody except for myself (and my family). Beyond that I could care less what others think.
Remember things come and go in cycles. Today's rose might be tomorrows dog (and vice versa).
08-11-2007, 09:13 AM
#39
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,838
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
I don't feel sorry for those that left FDX for passenger jobs, that's for sure. They complained all the way into their pax jobs how bad night flying is. Yet we all know the real reason anybody left UPS or FDX in the past 10 years, it was to chase the juicy Terminal-walking airline pilot lifestyle.
Don't get cocky, Just because things seem rosy here, doesn't mean it will always be so. Live the Dream, enjoy it, but be humble because someday it might be your turn. Been there done that and don't want another T-Shirt
08-11-2007, 10:08 AM
#40
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 574
Originally Posted by jsled
C'mon CaptainMark. UAL had 44 747's back then and 50 777's at a not too shabby $292/$197 per hour. But if you couldn't hold a widebody, there was always the narrowbody Airbus at $232/$158 per hour. You know, I talk to a lot of guys who were around this place in 1986 after the strike. They tell of the outrageous b-scale and the low morale and how everybody thought the airline pilot job would never pay what it "used to". These were the same guys earning $300/hour in 2003. My point? the future is uncertain my friend.
