7576,
If you reread his post, you'll see he said that the higher paid TWA people would come back at the top of the scale IF the APA would fight for longevity like they have in the past. As for the numbers, they are coming from HR and a few other sources as well and are very believable.

LTD

 

We'll you got one thing right for sure!!

 

Hello 7576FO !!!!


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Yes, I do!

One of my buds is 98 TWA hire. You;re implying ALL TWA pilots furloughed were at the 12 yr FO pay Scale. That is wrong.



*Actually 757, I never implied that, I'll clearly explain what I posted. If you're "bud" is a 98 hire, he was probably furloughed in 2002. If given longevity for his furlough he would receive credit for the 6 years he will be on furlough. He will return to AA with that credit and be on 10th year F/O pay. To me, this is near the top of the pay scale. In simple terms:

4 yr service + 6 yrs furlough = 10 year pay.

Where did you get the 35% bypassing #. Where? No really Where?

*The Joe King model which is accumulated by AMR HR/APA and individual pilots providing feedback of their intentions.

You apparently fly for UPS. How then if I work for AAL right now and have a difficult time getting bypass #'s ..How can you know?

*Yes, I fly for UPS, because John Darrah, former APA MEC is quoted in the SUPP CC doctrine that I had no career intentions by coming to work for TWA 12 1/2 years ago, so that I didnt deserve any seniority at the merged TWA/AA. Thanks John, we love you too.

*How can I get the info, because on the TWA side of the house getting recalled for some, is important so they can get out of their lousy airline job or current job selling life insurance to go back to work and rebuild their professional and personal lives that the APA deemed insignifcant.

There is/was another reason the 90's furloughees were made Whole..but you omit it.

*Oh do tell, was it because Don Carty and Jeff Brundrege(sp?) liked the pilot group and did it out of the kindness in their heart ??? No. We were told by our new friends at the APA that as part of allowing the merger with TWA as a defensive move by AMR to offset the proposed merger between United and USAirways, that the APA wanted forgiveness for the $45 million judgement against them for their sickout and to give their recently returned furloughees longevity credit for their years of furlough. The precedent is already in place, the question is, will the APA fight for the TWA pilots like "your bud" so that he can return after 6 years of furlough paid as a 10 yr F/O or a 4th yr F/O. This is a classic case of the APA having a golden opportunity to unify the TWA pilots into the fold or further ostracize them.

If you're gonna tell a story, make sure you know it.

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I hope this clearly explains the issues that trouble you while you work at AA.

 

So what is your point? Are you trying to incite flamebait or are you just plain stupid?

I don't understand your purpose / hatred that appears to be evident against TWA Pilots.

Seems to me you need to grow up.

Whale

 

Hi Whale,

My point is to clarify what I posted.

I'm sorry you dont understand the purpose or hatred between the TWA pilots and the APA at American Airline. I will be happy to educate you. Have you been out of the country for the last decade or just choose to ignore it ?

Finally, my hatred against the TWA pilot ???..Duh genius, I don't hate the TWA pilots...I am a furloughed TWA pilot.

I like you're closing statement about growing up. I'll pass it on to the 1800 TWA pilots that lost their careers...very good advise from an expert like yourself that has no clue.

Any other TWA pilots on this forum that think Whale is right, we should just grow up and forgive the APA for their treatment ???

Regards Whale, and welcome back

FF

 

They'll never understand, because they didn't have to live through it. If I ever get recalled, it will be approximately 5.5 years or more on furlough; all this while junior, new-hire, just-off-probation AA F/Os sit in MY seat, flying former TWA jets out of the former TWA hub on former TWA routes with former TWA Captains still working at AA.

Forgive the APA? Not likely.

 

I'm totally for making all furloughees whole.
APA does really stupid things
AA management does really stupid things
If was an ex TW pilot i'd be ****ed

The statement of "This is a classic case of the APA having a golden opportunity to unify the TWA pilots into the fold or further ostracize them."

that might happen on the next contract (furlougheees made whole)

Also Flifast...Just so everyone here knows...where you're coming from

You say you had 12 and 1/2 yrs w/ TWA. That would give you the right to be a Captain on a S-80 of of STL.
Granted you'd be on reserve, and I do not wish that upon anyone.
It does not ultimately matter right now where you are on the Seniority list,
Being a Captain makes up for a lot of things.

Additonally, we have furloughees coming back into the Captain seat.
That is difficult to watch.

My take is if you had 20 years in w/ TWA then hell yeah, you deserve a left seat.

This should be a lesson to all about Mergers and fairness. You can't have both.
It sucks that AA closed all of TWA's pilot bases and threw them into STL.

I was never in agreement with Darah's methodology that TWA pilots lost their career expectations from the 1986 BK on.

I try to be fair. I talk to my furloughed buds. I know they'd love to be in my position on reserve living in base making 125K a year.

 

7576FO,

I'll try to be civil with you and clarify. I was hired in 95' with TWA which was 12 1/2 years ago. I had 8 years when I was furloughed in 2003'. If I gave you the impression otherwise, it was probably just the way I posted it.

In terms of not agreeing with the APA and Darrah, all I have to say is that your hard-earned money is going towards dues to support this. They are your representation, if you dont like them, ditch them...just my opinion.

It may be difficult for you to watch someone that was furloughed from their seat as a Capt to return to their position...HOWEVER...I will hear your opinion if you will hear mine.

Most pilots when they upgrade to Capt gives them a payraise to better their lifestyle. They buy a nicer home, a nicer car, a nicer personal trainer for their spouse, etc. I think you get the picture. So here are TWA's 1988-1989 hires that were narrowbody Capts for a couple years and they go from the left seat to the unemployment line. Remember the nicer home and the new pool boy, all of that gets difficult when you're making $1000/month on unemployment.

So you find it difficult to watch one of these cats being recalled to the left seat, I beg to differ. I think they have more than paid for their seat.

I think we can both agree that AMR management will never lift a finger to unify the TWA-ers with the NAAtives. So it is upto the APA to do it. What has been done to the TWA pilots is done....but the question is what does Lloyd Hill and Mike Pliske have in store for the TWA pilots. I'll give you the last word....

FF

 

Thanks FliFast,

You robbed yet another thread! Kudos to you! Just trying to answer a few simple recall questions, and here is yet another thread destroyed. I am finally seeing who you really are.

I had taken a couple month leave from MBs in general, and now I remember why I did that. Thanks! Time to drop out again for another couple months.

Sincerely,

AAflyer

 

Not quite. ONE came back from a stand-instead furlough to the seat that she could still hold with her seniority. The rest of the returning furloughees are not coming straight back to Captain but to FO positions.


EXTW