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Old 09-14-2007, 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Spartan07 View Post
Even SWA? I mean, they're cheap but they pay very well and treat their employees like... *gasp* human beings! From everything I have seen, heard, and experienced SWA treats their pilots and other employees way better than the legacies. I might even go so far as to say better than pre-9/11 legacies.

P.S - Skybus is the worst in my eyes, but something about Virgin makes me uneasy, being a foreign airline that found a loophole in our laws and all.

Yes, all LCC's are responsible for the pay and our "status" being diminished to nothing more than a bus driver. No offense Airbus guys....

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Old 09-14-2007, 04:52 AM
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pilotss has the right answer. Pilots look at all the obvious surface issues of flying for a certain airline but often foget to check the balance sheet.

Check the debt/equity ratio that an airline has and consider long term job security while you are doing that. I recall a couple of guys leaving SWA in 2000 and 2001 for UAL and then after 9-11 calling SWA in near tears asking if they could come back. (They were told they could re-apply). SWA's debt/equity ratio is below 30% while many other airlines, INCLUDING those who recently went thru bankruptcy are over levereged with debt/equity ratios of over 100%.
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In regards to LLC's, I wish you would have put US Airways in there for polling.

Here's a question......Who does/does not want to work at Airways and why .....this should be interesting
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Old 09-14-2007, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RobLAX View Post
To me it is Skybus, Air Tran and Virgin. There is nothing to say about Skybus. The pay, uniforms and policies are a joke just like the airline. What airlines charges for a soda? Next it is a tie between Air Tran and Virgin. Virgin upgrade is based on how much butt kissing you do. Air Tran is Valujet...enough said. I know 2 people personally that were hired there and they busted almost every checkride at the regional level.
Not true...popular urban myth. There is no such "merit based" upgrade policy.
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Old 09-14-2007, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by embatp View Post
how about airtran? we just had a weird deal with a few "t/a"s, recalled the prez and v.p. of the union, had a guy fired recently for writing up too many mx issues, and the lead guy in the recall effort and t/a rebuttal got fired...i think this is one place that should be avoided...
Kolski's still there, huh? A Lorenzo clone to the end. Screwed up every airline he was ever involved with. What an a**.
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Old 09-14-2007, 03:56 PM
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All of the above.

LCC's don't help the industry.

Neither does outsourcing on every regional in the nation but you seem to conveniently forget to mention that!!!
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Old 09-14-2007, 04:02 PM
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So many choices, but I only get to pick one?

Skybus it is then...the whole thing about paying flight attendants by commission put them over the top.

VA would be #2...as an American, I prefer to get raped by our own red-blooded American unscrupulous scumbag managers. No need to import foreign unscrupulous scumbag managers.
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Yes, all LCC's are responsible for the pay and our "status" being diminished to nothing more than a bus driver. No offense Airbus guys....
Wrong!!! its every pilot from every airline, be it union or non-union, who rolled over and played dead by accepting lower pay, reduced benefits and reduction in QOL. Thats who is responsible for your status being diminished. I don't think that the officers and directors of Skybus, Virgin America, nor Airtran collectively conspired on a Monday morning and to influence the managment of AA, UAL, DAL or NWA to get them in line on salary and benefit issues. Afterall, I haven't seen salaries increased, nor retirement benefits restored for the legacy boys.
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Old 09-15-2007, 08:34 AM
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Stybus then VA for all the above reasons.
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Old 09-15-2007, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RobLAX View Post
To me it is Skybus, Air Tran and Virgin. There is nothing to say about Skybus. The pay, uniforms and policies are a joke just like the airline. What airlines charges for a soda? Next it is a tie between Air Tran and Virgin. Virgin upgrade is based on how much butt kissing you do. Air Tran is Valujet...enough said. I know 2 people personally that were hired there and they busted almost every checkride at the regional level.
airtan is valuejet??? who cares...who do you fly for that is so much better that airtran.
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