Question for Controllers and NYC pilots
09-17-2007 | 02:33 PM
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used to fly a Champ out of good old SMQ '97-'03, I still look down out at that awesome lil aerodrome every time i'm EWR bound from the west, but usually we are 4000 ft or above ,till we are a bit closer to Newark. We keep a good viddy outside too,after all you never can tell. give my best to the Walkers,and the Holtaways
09-17-2007 | 08:24 PM
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What part of 121 operations relieves the pilot of maintaining proper lookout doctrine? 121.what? 
If our procedures have us so busy that we cannot maintain an effective lookout, then we need to change our procedures. While operating in VMC conditions, there is absolutely no substitute for a good VFR scan, and the diligent practice of "see and avoid" along with suppressing the the "big sky, little airplane" theory in the cockpit.
There also is a pretty good chance that those glider ops are notam'd. On my last flight into JFK, there were over 31 pages of those darn notam things, so I might have missed one.
I don't personally fly gliders, but I think if I did, I darn sure wouldn't do it in the area of the TEB/EWR/JFK etc... without a transponder, just not a good example of risk management. You might be in the right to do it, dead right too.
SD out.
If our procedures have us so busy that we cannot maintain an effective lookout, then we need to change our procedures. While operating in VMC conditions, there is absolutely no substitute for a good VFR scan, and the diligent practice of "see and avoid" along with suppressing the the "big sky, little airplane" theory in the cockpit. There also is a pretty good chance that those glider ops are notam'd. On my last flight into JFK, there were over 31 pages of those darn notam things, so I might have missed one.
I don't personally fly gliders, but I think if I did, I darn sure wouldn't do it in the area of the TEB/EWR/JFK etc... without a transponder, just not a good example of risk management. You might be in the right to do it, dead right too.
SD out.
09-17-2007 | 10:07 PM
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09-17-2007 | 11:51 PM
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Don't think the 'rule of tonnage' was any help to the PSA 727 crew over San Diego back in 78. Or the recent NetJet crew for that matter. Somebody needs to be looking out the window. Busy or not.
Ok back on Topic...
Any of you guys/controlers who operate in/around the NY 3 see the Bravo changing shape or getting larger. Seems that most Class B's out west have extensions on them and extend up to 10K MSL? I saw something recently in Aviation week that would sugest changes are coming.
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Any of you guys/controlers who operate in/around the NY 3 see the Bravo changing shape or getting larger. Seems that most Class B's out west have extensions on them and extend up to 10K MSL? I saw something recently in Aviation week that would sugest changes are coming.
09-18-2007 | 05:02 AM
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Because they are too busy making us aware of the CRPs on the routes to SJU and the Caribbean when we're flying from EWR to SAT. What a joke and waste of paper. Someone really needs to review what NOTAMs we get.
09-18-2007 | 06:04 AM
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Sorry, I Didn't mean for it to come across as a flame job,...... Dude.
I still stand by my statement, however. I think both our chances are pretty low if you meet me in my Seneca at 3000'. So looking out the window would be benificial to both of us.
Unless of course Karen Black is your Head FA
I still stand by my statement, however. I think both our chances are pretty low if you meet me in my Seneca at 3000'. So looking out the window would be benificial to both of us.
Unless of course Karen Black is your Head FA
09-18-2007 | 07:17 AM
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From: Spartan
Sorry, I Didn't mean for it to come across as a flame job,...... Dude.
I still stand by my statement, however. I think both our chances are pretty low if you meet me in my Seneca at 3000'. So looking out the window would be benificial to both of us.
Unless of course Karen Black is your Head FA
I still stand by my statement, however. I think both our chances are pretty low if you meet me in my Seneca at 3000'. So looking out the window would be benificial to both of us.
Unless of course Karen Black is your Head FA
09-18-2007 | 07:35 AM
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That seems pretty far out to be at 3000. If you are under the class B the aircraft should be a 200kts not 250. And the controllers are supposed to tell you that you are under class B(FARAIM ref)....but they don't.
I would go with a transponder. You'll see the commercial airliners doing quite a few TCAS warning maneuvers and if ATC gets enough of them they will stop vectoring so low in that sector.
Pilots may not be head down but that terminal area is BUSY. And although we do look outside, it is our busiest time in the entire flight.
I would go with a transponder. You'll see the commercial airliners doing quite a few TCAS warning maneuvers and if ATC gets enough of them they will stop vectoring so low in that sector.
Pilots may not be head down but that terminal area is BUSY. And although we do look outside, it is our busiest time in the entire flight.
09-18-2007 | 08:25 AM
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I'm not trying to be a wise guy, but if you just earned your glider rating at that airport, shouldn't you already be familiar with the area? If not, you should get back with your instructor and have them familiarize you. I understand that you may not be 100% up on the routings of jets in and out of the area's airports, but it seems to me like this would be something important to know if you're operating out of that area.
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