NWA or UAL
09-24-2007 | 10:58 PM
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I don't trust them either but, I'm not so sure things are better at UAL. From what I understand things are somewhat divided at UAL, too. Widebody v. Narrowbody (737, A-320).
Personally, I think we should take over the union. All we have to do is run, blue bookers are the largest percentage now,,,,
As far as management: they only can do what we let them. Look at what the UAW is doing.
Personally, I think we should take over the union. All we have to do is run, blue bookers are the largest percentage now,,,,
As far as management: they only can do what we let them. Look at what the UAW is doing.
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09-25-2007 | 05:04 AM
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I have been scooter trash for about 10 yrs. and all I can say is ALPA doesn't give a rip about RJ guys. Doesn't ALPA have to sign off on the RJ contracts too, yes. So, why would they sign off on some of the POS contracts out there? ALPA is a giant money making machine all they want is membership and they help those that help them the most-the guys making over 6 figures that can pump more money into the machine. Now ALPA is good with safety but that is about it. Just look at the none alpa airlines, SWA, AA, and ups all 3 are tops in my book. Plus look at all the alpa guys that are getting voted out. So, alpa is not worth my time...
09-25-2007 | 05:22 AM
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Given the choice which would you do?
NWA made 1.3 billion last year and plans to hire like crazy. With it's monopoly hubs, huge Asian presence, and shoestring budget, it will probably plod on until it merges with someone (Delta?) The DC-9s are going away, but huge attrition should make up for the airframe loss. All signs point to the Compass E-175s eventually being flown by mainline.
UAL: Undevoted management, huge labor trouble, losing money, moderate Asian presence, fierce competition in its largest hub. But great potential with the right management team. Great group of employees I fit in well with. Lots of great contacts. My hometown airline. Titanic watch, or hit rock bottom?
So what would you do? Please no "are you nuts, they both suck" comments, because we've already heard all of that here. If you had to choose one of the other, which would you choose and why?
NWA made 1.3 billion last year and plans to hire like crazy. With it's monopoly hubs, huge Asian presence, and shoestring budget, it will probably plod on until it merges with someone (Delta?) The DC-9s are going away, but huge attrition should make up for the airframe loss. All signs point to the Compass E-175s eventually being flown by mainline.
UAL: Undevoted management, huge labor trouble, losing money, moderate Asian presence, fierce competition in its largest hub. But great potential with the right management team. Great group of employees I fit in well with. Lots of great contacts. My hometown airline. Titanic watch, or hit rock bottom?
So what would you do? Please no "are you nuts, they both suck" comments, because we've already heard all of that here. If you had to choose one of the other, which would you choose and why?
Good luck on your decision. Just to clear a thing or two up.....Go to ATW and see who has the bigger asian presence as far as rpm's go. You will be surprised. UAL has made money for the last 2 quarters, and generated a TON of cash. Everything else you mention is spot on. Again, good luck.
09-25-2007 | 05:58 AM
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I have been scooter trash for about 10 yrs. and all I can say is ALPA doesn't give a rip about RJ guys. Doesn't ALPA have to sign off on the RJ contracts too, yes. So, why would they sign off on some of the POS contracts out there? ALPA is a giant money making machine all they want is membership and they help those that help them the most-the guys making over 6 figures that can pump more money into the machine. Now ALPA is good with safety but that is about it. Just look at the none alpa airlines, SWA, AA, and ups all 3 are tops in my book. Plus look at all the alpa guys that are getting voted out. So, alpa is not worth my time...
No flame, but why is anyone considering either of the POS airlines. I just don't get it. All it is doing is fueling the low pay and poor QOL. It is the same thing as the $h!tier regionals only able hire 250 hour guys.
Is it one of those... "I've always dreamed of flying for United", or "My father flew for NWA" things?
A lot of people on here b!tch and b!tch about their POS airlines and then decide to move on to the next POS. We all know ALPA and Teamsters aren't going to make any big changes in the airline pilot QOL, and with a recession POSSIBLY on the horizon, the only thing they are going to do now is help lessen(maybe) are the next round of concessions.
Pilots need to quit taking these $h!ty jobs. Sombody please explain.
PtP
09-25-2007 | 06:14 AM
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Given the choice which would you do?
NWA made 1.3 billion last year and plans to hire like crazy. With it's monopoly hubs, huge Asian presence, and shoestring budget, it will probably plod on until it merges with someone (Delta?) The DC-9s are going away, but huge attrition should make up for the airframe loss. All signs point to the Compass E-175s eventually being flown by mainline.
UAL: Undevoted management, huge labor trouble, losing money, moderate Asian presence, fierce competition in its largest hub. But great potential with the right management team. Great group of employees I fit in well with. Lots of great contacts. My hometown airline. Titanic watch, or hit rock bottom?
So what would you do? Please no "are you nuts, they both suck" comments, because we've already heard all of that here. If you had to choose one of the other, which would you choose and why?
NWA made 1.3 billion last year and plans to hire like crazy. With it's monopoly hubs, huge Asian presence, and shoestring budget, it will probably plod on until it merges with someone (Delta?) The DC-9s are going away, but huge attrition should make up for the airframe loss. All signs point to the Compass E-175s eventually being flown by mainline.
UAL: Undevoted management, huge labor trouble, losing money, moderate Asian presence, fierce competition in its largest hub. But great potential with the right management team. Great group of employees I fit in well with. Lots of great contacts. My hometown airline. Titanic watch, or hit rock bottom?
So what would you do? Please no "are you nuts, they both suck" comments, because we've already heard all of that here. If you had to choose one of the other, which would you choose and why?
Fellow crewmembers have much input in enjoyment factor coming to work. You believe you fit in and it is a hometown airline, that pulls alot toward UAL.
09-25-2007 | 08:27 AM
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Just to add support to SaltyDog. As you know NWA is hiring. In August they hired "in house". They were trained and put on the line in late August. NWA management happily announced that they put "27 new pilots on the line!". What they did not tell you was that in August there were 37 resignations and 50 requests for early retirement. We have people quiting in the middle of a trips! Can you honestly say that sounds like a sound work environment?
Also, in the first 2 weeks of accepting applications NWA management happily announced that they had received "over 1200 applications!". What they don't tell you is that the last time they hired they received over 10,000 applications in 7 days. The numbers alone tell you something.
Don't risk the aggravation! I highly recommend against NWA!!
Also, in the first 2 weeks of accepting applications NWA management happily announced that they had received "over 1200 applications!". What they don't tell you is that the last time they hired they received over 10,000 applications in 7 days. The numbers alone tell you something.
Don't risk the aggravation! I highly recommend against NWA!!
09-25-2007 | 09:38 AM
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Good luck on your decision. Just to clear a thing or two up.....Go to ATW and see who has the bigger asian presence as far as rpm's go. You will be surprised. UAL has made money for the last 2 quarters, and generated a TON of cash. Everything else you mention is spot on. Again, good luck.
Yeah, UAL is just as big in Asia as NWA, probably a little bigger. There are times when you are over there in NRT and all you see are UAL -400's and 777's. Then they all fly away and the NWA flights come in.
I believe the only additional flights that NWA have other there are the flights to Siapan, Guam, Pusan, and Guangzhou. UAL probably has more mainland flights to Japan. But, when you add the NWA cargo flights in it probably is a wash. I think.
09-25-2007 | 12:38 PM
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Neutral, empirical observation: I'd go with UAL if presented with this choice. Why? I have buds at both, the NWA friends are extremely bitter to point that some looking to leave (one is a 9 Capt trying to get to UPS) and nothing positive to say. My UAL buds though bitter, seem more optimistic and most I know who were furloughed and hired at UPS won't return, but some don't completely exclude the possibility either. That it isn't completely out of the picture says volumes to me.
Fellow crewmembers have much input in enjoyment factor coming to work. You believe you fit in and it is a hometown airline, that pulls alot toward UAL.
Fellow crewmembers have much input in enjoyment factor coming to work. You believe you fit in and it is a hometown airline, that pulls alot toward UAL.
It says more of what a crappy company UPS is to work for.
09-25-2007 | 07:16 PM
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They sign off on POS contracts all of the time! Saw it happen personally.
No flame, but why is anyone considering either of the POS airlines. I just don't get it. All it is doing is fueling the low pay and poor QOL. It is the same thing as the $h!tier regionals only able hire 250 hour guys.
Is it one of those... "I've always dreamed of flying for United", or "My father flew for NWA" things?
A lot of people on here b!tch and b!tch about their POS airlines and then decide to move on to the next POS. We all know ALPA and Teamsters aren't going to make any big changes in the airline pilot QOL, and with a recession POSSIBLY on the horizon, the only thing they are going to do now is help lessen(maybe) are the next round of concessions.
Pilots need to quit taking these $h!ty jobs. Sombody please explain.
PtP
No flame, but why is anyone considering either of the POS airlines. I just don't get it. All it is doing is fueling the low pay and poor QOL. It is the same thing as the $h!tier regionals only able hire 250 hour guys.
Is it one of those... "I've always dreamed of flying for United", or "My father flew for NWA" things?
A lot of people on here b!tch and b!tch about their POS airlines and then decide to move on to the next POS. We all know ALPA and Teamsters aren't going to make any big changes in the airline pilot QOL, and with a recession POSSIBLY on the horizon, the only thing they are going to do now is help lessen(maybe) are the next round of concessions.
Pilots need to quit taking these $h!ty jobs. Sombody please explain.
PtP
new pilots have nothing to do with the contract in place at established carriers. it is the current employees that have set the bar so low. virgin and skybus is a different story while airtran and jetblue have done nothing but help lower the bar to it's current level.
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