RobLAX

UAL all the way!

Bri85

I think NW have the largest A330 fleet in the world w/ 32 a/c? I also hear the pay is the worst out all majors, and by the end of the year a new pay raise is on the works.

SaltyDog

I take it as money ain't that important to 'em

SCRWDbyMGMT

NWA is the LOWEST paying carrier out there. Even Jet Blue, Spirit, and Sun Country pay more!!!

BoilerUP

NWA's DC-9 FO pay through at least year 3 is better than Airways' 737/A320 pay. Its better than CAL's small narrowbody pay as well.

First year pay is much better at JBU, but NWA has it beat beyond that. Spirit is a similar situation to JBU when compared to NWA's DC-9 FO rates.

United on the 737/A320 pays $2/hr more the first year and is higher year 3 and beyond, but NWA has it beat or equal on the A320 FO scale.

I've been told the NWA still has pretty decent work rules including trip/duty rig, minimum average day credit, and bid-trip schedule guarantee which is quite a bit better than some other carriers that are hiring. Is that accurate, SCRWD?

newKnow

Bri85,

Where did you hear we were getting a raise?

newKnow

Boiler,

The work rules are better. They are not as good as they were before this crappy contract, but better than they were earlier this year. Earlier we were working 90+ hours a month, losing time if we went under on any legs, and not getting time and 1/2 for every hour over 80.

Believe me, I was like SCREWED until I had a UAL jumpseater onboard, who told us they don't have minimum days and are flying 94 hours a month, which I still don't believe. If it's true, they have worse work rules (on the 737 and 320), but better pay. So, I think at this point both are the same. They both suck, it's just a matter of who is more willing to kick some but like the UAW and make it better.

SCREW's observations about the mass exodus are right from what I've heard. 60+ per month are leaving. This can be viewed to be good or bad. Maybe things are so bad here that people are just flat out quitting to go work for Walmart. Or, maybe people are leaving so they can get their frozen pensions from NWA to work on another pension from another company. Either way, movement has been brisk for the past year. At this point, all of the DC-9 FO's I fly with are shunning the 320 to go to the 757. The last one I flew with was about 300 numbers from the bottom of the senority list and said he was about 10 spots from getting the 757. I didn't check, but I'm sure he's right. Right seat of the 320 is probably going to go to the new hires as well, if it hasn't already. So things suck here, just not as much as it did before...........


newKnow

7576FO

John,

Respectfully here, On which Planet did NWA make 1.3 Billion dollars last year?
Sarcastically speaking have tried Eastern or Pan Am?

Seriously, if NWA made 1.3 billion last year please tell me. Someone tell me.

I fly for AA we made 234 million last year. Our management awarded themselves 174 million. That's right our top 900 managers including Cheif Pilots, Flight Attendant supervisors stuck their hands in the cookie jar and took almost all of it home.

I digress, I wish the best for NWA pilots, but I must have been in a coma for 2006. Cause I do not remember hearing NWA make 1.3 bil.

UAL if you're young.

And i'm not making fun of you here. Maybe I missed it.

RobLAX

UAL has made a ton this year!!!

newKnow

They did some post bankrupcy adjusting of the books that amounted to like a billion dollars or something. It wasn't real money. Real money is reserved for management.