Job Fair in DC
10-02-2007, 05:44 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by scrapdog
No tirade needed - my opinion only. And I don't think any of the major's payrates nowadays are healthy - hence the point of my entire first post. With guys willing to accept bottom dwelling payrates - the major's pay, QOL, etc...won't ever get back to the good level it was. The classic self licking lollipop - you got to stop it at the initial point.
BTW - how do you know my experience level in the 121 world? Have we met...I sure don't recall. And what does my experience level have anything to do with sound logic? It doesn't.
BTW - how do you know my experience level in the 121 world? Have we met...I sure don't recall. And what does my experience level have anything to do with sound logic? It doesn't.
Sorry if you don't like being told this, or disagree with my assessment. I'm just calling it like I see it. And like I said, rather sanctimonious to come down on "regional" pilots considering where you went to work.
10-03-2007, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Nope, don't know you, never made that claim. But when you brag about all your civilian/military exploits, how you were able to make the transition from fighter pilot to airline pilot in 2-3 legs, superior knowledge of jump seat etiquette, etc, don't need to know you. In some of your unnecessary profanity laden tirades and sounding off like you are some old school 121 guy but have admitted that you are new to the 121 civilian world, well, it's easy to figure out. Reference some of your postings on the above mentioned topics
Sorry if you don't like being told this, or disagree with my assessment. I'm just calling it like I see it. And like I said, rather sanctimonious to come down on "regional" pilots considering where you went to work.
Sorry if you don't like being told this, or disagree with my assessment. I'm just calling it like I see it. And like I said, rather sanctimonious to come down on "regional" pilots considering where you went to work.
Do I have a lot of 121 experience? Nope. Does it really matter in this regard? Nope. If you polled 100 guys right now, I bet 80% would agree with me with these agregious wages at the regional level and the fact dudes are stepping up to the plate left and right to fly for these janitor type wages. Is it the end all be all to the major's QOL? Of course not - there are plenty of factors...but it certainly is a huge contributor. Again, my opinion only. Now, as I said earlier, I'm in no way defending 1st year pay at any airline, CAL or not. I think they all suck. BUT, they do continue to rise at a decent clip at most majors, and they certainly do not at the regional level. And they could rise quite a bit better if folks didn't accept the haenious regional pay and are lining up to do so. I truley believe you get what you pay for - and that pertains to all things in life, not just flying. As guys continue to accept crappier and crappier wages and airlines continue to lap them up where does the quality of our workforce go? Not up for sure.
Last but not least....this jumpseat thing. I have no way claimed to be an "expert" in jumpseating as you called me out. That's BS dude. But what I do claim is that it's not rocket science (just like it's not rocket science to fly airliners) and all it takes is a handshake and being cordial to the crew/captain. No cookies, candy, etc...are required. Courtesy works everytime and I've not had one issue to this day.
Good luck...sorry you take this crap so personal. It's kind of sad. Alright, my "profanity laden tirade" (as you so call it is over).
10-03-2007, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapdog
No worries dojet - I respect your opinion 100%. The beauty is - you get to have an opinion and so do I. My opinion initially was not personally directed at any RJ pilot in the least - it was strictly a viewpoint on the downturn of the airline profession as a whole and it's very direct relationship to the guys willing to accept absolutely garbage payrates at the regional level.
Do I have a lot of 121 experience? Nope. Does it really matter in this regard? Nope. If you polled 100 guys right now, I bet 80% would agree with me with these agregious wages at the regional level and the fact dudes are stepping up to the plate left and right to fly for these janitor type wages. Is it the end all be all to the major's QOL? Of course not - there are plenty of factors...but it certainly is a huge contributor. Again, my opinion only. Now, as I said earlier, I'm in no way defending 1st year pay at any airline, CAL or not. I think they all suck. BUT, they do continue to rise at a decent clip at most majors, and they certainly do not at the regional level. And they could rise quite a bit better if folks didn't accept the haenious regional pay and are lining up to do so. I truley believe you get what you pay for - and that pertains to all things in life, not just flying. As guys continue to accept crappier and crappier wages and airlines continue to lap them up where does the quality of our workforce go? Not up for sure.
Last but not least....this jumpseat thing. I have no way claimed to be an "expert" in jumpseating as you called me out. That's BS dude. But what I do claim is that it's not rocket science (just like it's not rocket science to fly airliners) and all it takes is a handshake and being cordial to the crew/captain. No cookies, candy, etc...are required. Courtesy works everytime and I've not had one issue to this day.
Good luck...sorry you take this crap so personal. It's kind of sad. Alright, my "profanity laden tirade" (as you so call it is over).
Do I have a lot of 121 experience? Nope. Does it really matter in this regard? Nope. If you polled 100 guys right now, I bet 80% would agree with me with these agregious wages at the regional level and the fact dudes are stepping up to the plate left and right to fly for these janitor type wages. Is it the end all be all to the major's QOL? Of course not - there are plenty of factors...but it certainly is a huge contributor. Again, my opinion only. Now, as I said earlier, I'm in no way defending 1st year pay at any airline, CAL or not. I think they all suck. BUT, they do continue to rise at a decent clip at most majors, and they certainly do not at the regional level. And they could rise quite a bit better if folks didn't accept the haenious regional pay and are lining up to do so. I truley believe you get what you pay for - and that pertains to all things in life, not just flying. As guys continue to accept crappier and crappier wages and airlines continue to lap them up where does the quality of our workforce go? Not up for sure.
Last but not least....this jumpseat thing. I have no way claimed to be an "expert" in jumpseating as you called me out. That's BS dude. But what I do claim is that it's not rocket science (just like it's not rocket science to fly airliners) and all it takes is a handshake and being cordial to the crew/captain. No cookies, candy, etc...are required. Courtesy works everytime and I've not had one issue to this day.
Good luck...sorry you take this crap so personal. It's kind of sad. Alright, my "profanity laden tirade" (as you so call it is over).
I love it, so pay will go up at the Majors if we "the regional world" demand higher wages? get a grip thats just bonkers........... Whats sad is I make more money as a second year F/O at Expressjet (you know that pathetic really low paying regional
which happens to have a much better contract than CAL) than a 1st year CAL F/O. Thats sad that I make more money than you.................. You wonder why Military guys have a stereotype
10-03-2007, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
I love it, so pay will go up at the Majors if we "the regional world" demand higher wages? get a grip thats just bonkers........... Whats sad is I make more money as a second year F/O at Expressjet (you know that pathetic really low paying regional which happens to have a much better contract than CAL) than a 1st year CAL F/O. Thats sad that I make more money than you..................
You wonder why Military guys have a stereotype
which happens to have a much better contract than CAL) than a 1st year CAL F/O. Thats sad that I make more money than you.................. You wonder why Military guys have a stereotype
PS-Scrap flies the Raptor...I'll give him a little slack in the cocky dept.
10-03-2007, 04:44 PM
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SAAB...you were making friends. You had people on your side of this argument. Then you went and sounded like an immature punk. Know when to quit.
Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
Thats sad that I make more money than you..................
You wonder why Military guys have a stereotype
You wonder why Military guys have a stereotype
10-03-2007, 05:06 PM
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This thread is about the job fair in DC, not who has bigger burritos. Comparing and lamenting over one's pay on the forums is as non-productive as the comparisons between the virtues of the F-14 and the F-18 that my old friend, calcapt, and I used to make. That's why we stopped! 
10-03-2007, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by vagabond
This thread is about the job fair in DC, not who has bigger burritos. Comparing and lamenting over one's pay on the forums is as non-productive as the comparisons between the virtues of the F-14 and the F-18 that my old friend, calcapt, and I used to make. That's why we stopped!
10-03-2007, 05:16 PM
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Au contraire, mon ami! FL610 and I found ourselves in an F-18 simulator and we had the most fantastic ride. If you ever want to barf up your breakfast, go fly with her. I almost lost my voice screaming that day, but boy did we have fun.
Ok, my last post on this before I get shut down.
btw, good to hear from you Slice.
FL610 and I found ourselves in an F-18 simulator and we had the most fantastic ride. If you ever want to barf up your breakfast, go fly with her. I almost lost my voice screaming that day, but boy did we have fun.Ok, my last post on this before I get shut down.
btw, good to hear from you Slice.
10-03-2007, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tigerpilot1995
SAAB...you were making friends. You had people on your side of this argument. Then you went and sounded like an immature punk. Know when to quit.
Hey, I call it like I see it, blaming RJ guys who go to work for "respectable" regionals to maybe one day be fortunate enough to be where you(UPS), or he is(CAL), is a low blow......... You were at Express for a while, do you think you are to blame for the low pay industry wide?
As far as the militray comment, he comes off slightly arrogant, the F-22 is nice, but its no EMB-145XR who we kidding
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10-03-2007, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapdog
No worries dojet - I respect your opinion 100%. The beauty is - you get to have an opinion and so do I. My opinion initially was not personally directed at any RJ pilot in the least - it was strictly a viewpoint on the downturn of the airline profession as a whole and it's very direct relationship to the guys willing to accept absolutely garbage payrates at the regional level.
Do I have a lot of 121 experience? Nope. Does it really matter in this regard? Nope. If you polled 100 guys right now, I bet 80% would agree with me with these agregious wages at the regional level and the fact dudes are stepping up to the plate left and right to fly for these janitor type wages. Is it the end all be all to the major's QOL? Of course not - there are plenty of factors...but it certainly is a huge contributor. Again, my opinion only. Now, as I said earlier, I'm in no way defending 1st year pay at any airline, CAL or not. I think they all suck. BUT, they do continue to rise at a decent clip at most majors, and they certainly do not at the regional level. And they could rise quite a bit better if folks didn't accept the haenious regional pay and are lining up to do so. I truley believe you get what you pay for - and that pertains to all things in life, not just flying. As guys continue to accept crappier and crappier wages and airlines continue to lap them up where does the quality of our workforce go? Not up for sure.
Last but not least....this jumpseat thing. I have no way claimed to be an "expert" in jumpseating as you called me out. That's BS dude. But what I do claim is that it's not rocket science (just like it's not rocket science to fly airliners) and all it takes is a handshake and being cordial to the crew/captain. No cookies, candy, etc...are required. Courtesy works everytime and I've not had one issue to this day.
Good luck...sorry you take this crap so personal. It's kind of sad. Alright, my "profanity laden tirade" (as you so call it is over).
Do I have a lot of 121 experience? Nope. Does it really matter in this regard? Nope. If you polled 100 guys right now, I bet 80% would agree with me with these agregious wages at the regional level and the fact dudes are stepping up to the plate left and right to fly for these janitor type wages. Is it the end all be all to the major's QOL? Of course not - there are plenty of factors...but it certainly is a huge contributor. Again, my opinion only. Now, as I said earlier, I'm in no way defending 1st year pay at any airline, CAL or not. I think they all suck. BUT, they do continue to rise at a decent clip at most majors, and they certainly do not at the regional level. And they could rise quite a bit better if folks didn't accept the haenious regional pay and are lining up to do so. I truley believe you get what you pay for - and that pertains to all things in life, not just flying. As guys continue to accept crappier and crappier wages and airlines continue to lap them up where does the quality of our workforce go? Not up for sure.
Last but not least....this jumpseat thing. I have no way claimed to be an "expert" in jumpseating as you called me out. That's BS dude. But what I do claim is that it's not rocket science (just like it's not rocket science to fly airliners) and all it takes is a handshake and being cordial to the crew/captain. No cookies, candy, etc...are required. Courtesy works everytime and I've not had one issue to this day.
Good luck...sorry you take this crap so personal. It's kind of sad. Alright, my "profanity laden tirade" (as you so call it is over).
Maybe you should have re worded you post and not come in on a high horse about guys going to work for crappy wages.
For a third time, look at where you went to work.
Since CAL only pays around $30 an hour for a first year FO, and marginally more for a second year guy that elects to stay on the 73, works under crappy work rules, and gladly accepts PBS as a scheduling method, does that mean they only get what they pay for?
Sorry YOU take crap so personal.
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